Evil Methadone

[Breedlove]

Hey folks,

I'm new to this forum and I'm sure I'm gonna piss somebody off. Well, welcome to life, I guess....

Anyway, I'm wondering if someone out there feels the same about methadone. I'm been on that god awful shit about 4 or 5 times, for years at a time, and yeah, I suppose it's better than being dead(actually, I'm not even sure about that), and yeah, I didn't shoot any dope for 2 and a half years but I became a raging alcoholic which brought me to my knees worse than Heroin ever did. I swear, if I'm ever stupid enough to get on that evil incarnate, I hope somone shoots me. If it works for anyone out there, go for it, I'm glad for you, I really am. But, have you ever kicked methadone? It makes Heroin look like a walk in the park.

Anyway...I'd like to hear other peoples views...

Strange... this forum is like a window back to the world of people. I been alone for a long time...Later...

[jon-q]

Welcome to the forum, please spend 5 minutes reading the rule about self-incrimination, otherwise you’ll end up pissing the moderators off.

It’s unfortunate that your cat didn’t take to methadone, for some it can be a real lifesaver for others I guess not. My cat never really took to long-term scripts of methadone but he has had some success using methadone for a short term detox.
I guess everybody is different.
Q

[thebige]

Swim has stayed away from methadone except for one time his doctor thought it would be worth a try for pain control..........so swim fills the script and goes home to dose.......Swim spent the next two days vomiting from that crap.
But .......that was the most fun he has ever had vomiting before in his life.....
He said screw this and went back to the Oc's......
Most people seem to agree that methadone withdrawal ranks pretty high on the list of things to withdraw from........seems to last forever......
On a side note swims friend had to do some jail time and at the time he went in,he was on a pretty high daily dose.......he said that he didn't leave his cell for the first month because he was so sick from going cold turkey from that shit...........

It all sounds like a nightmare to thebige........

[Dickon]

My cat's quit the stuff a couple of times. Both times he came off from reasonably high doses (200mg/day and 225mg/day). When he quit the first time he was 28, and quit benzodiazepines too (as well as a fairly alcoholic amount of booze daily), and it took a good while to get to some semblance of mental stability (about a year). The second time he was 38, and wasn't taking any benzos, and although he tapered down by about 5mg/day it was still nasty stuff. He was virtually cataleptic for the first three months, but has been gradually returning to form as time goes on.

The gory details are recorded in real time in a very long winded stretched-to-breaking point way on a thread called "screaming in the night air", in this section. Frankly looking back he was deranged, but hey, as he said, it's about quitting, not quitting while getting points for "artistic merit" as the ice-skaters call it! It's nearly been six months now, which will be another little mile-stone. I would love to say I have solved all my problems. No I haven't, except I have a sense of excitement about the journey. I could bore people again with those values and activities that matter to me, and have made my life exciting and great, but they might well leave you cold. It's not about what works for me anyway, it's about finding your own path.

Methadone is quittable, but I think you really are looking at normality returning slowly. I think this is also true to some extent of other opiates. Although there is a lot of stuff on here about PAWS (post-acute withdrawal syndrome), there is also a hardly-ever mentioned "pink cloud" (post-withdrawal elation!), which my cat didn't find this time round. For him, it's been a bit more of a graft than usual. He's still a bit tired at times, but has been finding the willingness to do a fair few physical things.

I've written a "how to guide to opiate detoxification" in this section too that is worth a look if you are serious about getting off of methadone. It is not easy, but a fair few people have quit. It can be done slowly over months or years, or quickly (my cat dropped 200mg (day 1), 100mg (day 2), 0mg (day 3) the first time) or somewhere in between (as cat's recent effort of dropping from 225mg to 0mg in about 35 days). There is light at the end of the tunnel, but despite my cat's efforts to (pretend to) enjoy the experience, it's not something I'm keen for my cat to reexperience.

Good luck!

Dickon

[handofdoom]

swim disagrees with swiy methadone is a tool to use to try and live a (normal) life free of jail, and abscesses, and try to put your fucked up life back in order swim detox off 120mgs, sure it took 2 fucking yrs, and still cant sleep good but at least im not in jail.

[ex-junkie]

swim kicked methadone quite easily once her frame of mind was right. it was awesome for swim, because whilst on it she eventually started to live a normal life without heroin, and had she not learnt to live without the heroin first, she wouldnt have been successful in her detox.

[kaloochi]

It's horses for courses as with everything in life but for him methadone is the devil incarnate. He's had scripts way back in the day but hasn't touched it for years. Coming off that shit is an evil experience and no doctor worth his salt would prescribe it when there's alternatives.
On one occasion he came off methadone in prison and boy did he suffer. It seemed to go on for ever and reached a point where he thought to himself this is it, he might as well get used to these symptoms 'cos there never going away - he really did think this it was so long.

[youdontknow]

You probably abused it and used it the wrong way. Nobodys fault but your own, sorry to tell you.

When used the right way methadone is a godsend. You obviously werent in the mindframe of being completely sober because you became an alcoholic, which your blaming on the methadone?

How about, take control and take responsibility for your mistakes and stop trying to place the blame on other things.

Methadone when used correctly, when used as part od treatment plan, not AS a treatment plan, will work, has worked for many many years, and will continue to work for people in the right mindset.

[kaloochi]

Originally Posted by youdontknow

You probably abused it and used it the wrong way. Nobodys fault but your own, sorry to tell you

Are you saying that if you use it correctly you won't suffer bad wds? Mindset has a lot to do with how you cope with wds but not that much when you're dealing with methadone. He thinks most every one on this forum is here because they abuse drugs.

[nick23]

Swim works as a drug user advocate and he is very careful about recommending done.Unless the client is losing control of their life and is looking at potentially jail or worse he'll suggest other treatment options.

Basically done is an ugly drug,but it's a lot better than some of the alternatives.

[VSOP~on~tap]

mother earth/god puts an array of poisons/medicines out for you to use. eveything you could EVER need. EVER! (they found methampheta in some rootbark, and found some temazepam and diazepam in potatoes nature beat us to everything lol)
ok so anyways, YOU each as individuals get to choose how you use those medicines/poisons. the concept is one in the same. too much, you die. just the right dose, cures cancer or some shit. some people get so obssesed with medication it really is rediculous and a mental condition.....but dont worry it is easily overcome. it merely takes feeling like 3 trains hit you, then threee more a day every hour on the hour for 1-2 weeks, 2-4 weeks of hellish diareah/pain/emotional mind fuck/nasuea/puking..............and an entire year for your brain to settle back down anywhere near where it used to be.
however, I do think that MORE than half wd IS mental because right now I SHOULD be wding harder than EVER and Im not. But I rememeber at all my attempt to quit IT FEELS like the worst thing in the world is going to happen/is happening to you.
its not. you jsut get sick. but it CANT even kill you. so why stress so much? take it like a man, a blow to the balls, or like a lady ad a a blow to her pussy either way its a bitch....gotta hurt like hell; TO FEEL TRUE GOODNESS.

[youdontknow]

Originally Posted by kaloochi

Are you saying that if you use it correctly you won't suffer bad wds? .

Thats exactly what im saying. If he tapered down to 1 mg even to a half mg over a long period of time he wouldnt have bad wds. Hed have some (which would probably be more mental than anything) But no where near as bad as if he quit cold turkey from his normal dose. Thats how methadone is supposed to be used.

[kaloochi]

Originally Posted by youdontknow

Thats exactly what im saying. If he tapered down to 1 mg even to a half mg over a long period of time he wouldnt have bad wds. Hed have some (which would probably be more mental than anything) But no where near as bad as if he quit cold turkey from his normal dose. Thats how methadone is supposed to be used.

Fair enough but pound for pound methadone wds are worse than H wds. The specific time he was talking about was a prison detox, two words that don't deserve to go together, so a looong taper wasn't an option sorry to say. It was like here's 5mg of valium, good luck! The only option he had was take it or leave it. If it works for you then that's good but his experience of opiate wds puts meth at the top. You also said something about me being an alcoholic. Where did you get that from? I'm practically t total.
For the record he's been addicted to opiates for 27 years which is a fucking long time by anyones standard. He's had periods of abstinence in that time, the longest being 5 years. These were times when he had the right mindset and was strong but he's relapsed many times. He takes full responsibility for his actions and has never blamed anyone. All he knows is he's got this terrible addiction that keeps rearing it's ugly head and he struggles with this monster.
ex-junkie, he can respect your bloody-minded attitude to drugs and all the things you say about not being able to hold down a job, and it being wrong if the kids have to get dragged along so daddy can have a hit etc, but that's not how the majority of, at least, heroin addicts think. He knows countless people who would be happy to go along 2 or 3 times a day to these clinics. If heroin is ever legalised it won't be because government had addicts welfare in mind it'll be because of the crime it causes. He sincerely hopes you hold that state of mind because it's obviously keeping you clean.
Swim is, at present on a suboxone program and is doing ok. He goes to work and is a responsible, sensible, honest enough individual. All that changes when he uses heroin. It's an ugly, deceiving drug. There's something about THAT opiate that sets it apart from any other in his opinion.
Anyway he's gonna finish there because he's just got in from a long day at work [building/construction] and he's tired and he's not even sure if half of what he's said makes sense.
Chins up people

[w//e]

But, have you ever kicked methadone? It makes Heroin look like a walk in the park.

Agreed. But as others have posted the only way to kick methadone is to taper down then jump. Most likely you will have side effects but they will be much lesser than if trying to jump from a proper dose.

????: Drugs Forum http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83715

[VSOP~on~tap]

I hate to break it to you as well; but methadone Can Not intrinisicly be evil, an inatimate object such as an alkaloid just doesnt qualify as evil, evil is a human trait the devil works through humans, yaddidimean?
its true that if you abuse methadone (WHICH I KNOWWW!! IS SOOOOO ALLURRING.....thats one bitch that nearly every guy in town has got to hit at least once.....) ..............lol on to my point if YOU abuse methadone, and then it turns on you can YOU REALLY blame the shit you think that shit is NOT GOING to bite back?!?! I say GET some fucking respect for drugs or your going to die straight up
peace

[kaloochi]

I hate to break it to you as well; but methadone Can Not intrinisicly be evil, an inatimate object such as an alkaloid just doesnt qualify as evil, evil is a human trait the devil works through humans, yaddidimean?
He knows what evil means and was just using it to get across how strongly he feels about the horrible stuff {but you knew that]. He doesn't think it's a good alternative to H because the wds are so much more intense and longer.

[VSOP~on~tap]

one last though; methadone is one of the best analgesics, if not the best in existence. for some people thats what it takes. its not evil. it can be rough if you ever get cut off it but if that happens then it was meant to happen see what you can learn from it.

[ex-junkie]

it almost makes swim LOL at how people think methadone is bad.

[MaryWarner]

havind read through this thread I have urgently got something to add.

SWIM does nor think about methadone being evil.

Methadone has helped SWIM a real lot and SWIM would not be here writing posts without methadone.
OK, there are the WDs that last a long time, compared to e.g buprenorphine which to SWIM seems to be the only alternativity to methadone.
SWIM has been on H two times, using methadone to get off, detoxed and stayed clean once for two months, the second time for two years, not touching anything .
Now SWIM is on methadone the third time, now for six years and two months, and every morning SWIM has the urge to kneel down and thank god (or whatever) for the possibilty not to have to cope wih dope dealers in the street, being ripped off his last money or given bad stuff and so on.
SWIM is not really out of all this opiate stuff, he knwos, but SWIM has found a way to cope with his addiction and, most of the time, feeling fine and not at all being out of his feelings and out of his mind as in the time he had to get up and go searching for the man.
so far as to this.
and, if anyone else is feeling the other way round, SWIM thinks it is about having to ponder the situation one is in and to sometimes be content with what one has and is.

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Good post, explains quite clearly the benefits that methadone maintenance can have on some people. It also shows people ...

[youdontknow]

Ex-junkie, i wish i could laugh at people that think like that. It just pisses me off though. Because there are inevitably, going to be people that abuse it and use it the wrong way, which in reality, is there fault, but there of course going to blame the methadone.

These people ruin it for those of us who want to use it the correct way. For years and years methadone has saved countless lives but theres still people who say that its such a bad thing. Methadone is a good transition from street drugs to being completely sober, it helps you get your mind back in order from all the crazy shit youve been doing.

No matter what these people say, the truth is that its a good thing and it helps those who are in the right mindset, which is why its legal. If it was just completely bad and didnt help anyone then it wouldnt be legal.

[harrygoldfarp]

Methadone is really difficult to come off.. If anyone goes on it be prepared to be in it for the long term as ime its not usualy a quick option. I know labrats that have been on it over twenty years. And look like death warmed up. Headz that havn't been hooked on H for too long would be better off quiting cold turkey imo.

[ex-junkie]

Originally Posted by youdontknow

Ex-junkie, i wish i could laugh at people that think like that. It just pisses me off though. Because there are inevitably, going to be people that abuse it and use it the wrong way, which in reality, is there fault, but there of course going to blame the methadone.

These people ruin it for those of us who want to use it the correct way. For years and years methadone has saved countless lives but theres still people who say that its such a bad thing. Methadone is a good transition from street drugs to being completely sober, it helps you get your mind back in order from all the crazy shit youve been doing.

No matter what these people say, the truth is that its a good thing and it helps those who are in the right mindset, which is why its legal. If it was just completely bad and didnt help anyone then it wouldnt be legal.

nobody will quit any drug without the right mindset, and swim doesnt believe that any one maintenance drug produces the right mindset. the right mindset comes from within yourself.

for the record, swim abused her methadone. she was only 50MG, but she bought extra on the blackmarket, so when she quit she was on an average of 100MG a day. she also was injecting it... as warped as it may sound, injecting the methadone was swims saviour. when she detoxed, it was methadone that was on her mind, not heroin. methadone by far became her drug of choice.

either way, swim still stopped it.

[youdontknow]

wow....injected methadone....

how was that? It got you high?

youdontknow added 2 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Oh, and i know that maintenance drugs dont produce the mindset, yu have to go into in the begining with the right mindset.


And congrats on getting off it when you were shootin. that had to be hell.

Are you completely sober now?

[ex-junkie]

yeah completely sober now.

the detox wasnt hell at all. swim did it at home with buprenorphine, chlonodine and promethazine. she picked up her bupe daily from the chemist, and her doctor prescribed her temazepam, however she returned the temazepam and most of the subutex she didnt use.

wasnt hell in the slightest tbh. swim slept every night, except for the second to last night, but she wasnt uncomfortable, was merely excited at her star sign. if she can find it, she will post it.

it took 9 days to detox, then she was on naltrexone on day 10.

[gunshyne]

Swim took methadone. The right way. Not begging for an increase every three days and was never over 55mg ..not bad for a bundle of Heroin a day habit. Swims life was saved & is now on suboxone 2mg a day & detoxing slowly from that. Swim is doing great on & has been leading a normal life for 6 years. So I think if you take methadone in the right way & mindset people benefit from it (thats rare). If someone is just taking it to legally get f'ed up then no good will come from it.

OH & since it's a very dangerous drug, for average people, kids or animals, it should be kept in the lock boxes they make people keep it in..if it is in liquid form. If it's pill be responsible & keep them stored where rambling pets or kids can't get em.