Drug info - Effects of real Absinthe with Wormwood

[RedBaron]

Swim was wondering if anybody has ever tried the real absinthe that supposedly makes you hallucinate with the neurotoxins like wormwood.

Swims friend just returned from Mexico with a bottle but it wasn't the real stuff and although Swim got really drunk off a 26 at 55% alc. he didnt get the effects he was looking for.

After researching the subject a bit Swim found that the legitimate Absinthe is only legal in a few select places in Europe which is very discouraging for a Canadian!

If somebody on the forum could fill Swim in on the effects and their experiences with "the green fairy" then it would be much appreciated.

[shogun875]

When absinthe is made properly from wormwood the neurotoxins should all be removed, and should not have any effect other than just strong alcohol. Repeated drinking of improperly made absinthe will cause a person to go insane, which is where the stories of absinthe making people hallucinate come from.

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[Jatelka]

The are many threads on absinthe and it's effects, found by UTFSE! See here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe

Experiences... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...he+experiences

There are also 2 great papers in the archive...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=55&id=4303
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=55&id=3419

which debunk the myth of absinthe being any different from any other strong booze

[sandoz1943]

SWIM has never been able to get her hands on the mass produced stuff. She does however have a recipie for Absinithe using Wormwood and Calumus (active ingredients) that can be steeped or stilled. She has never tripped on Absinithe but has had seen peripheral movement & more intense shadowing kind of like what you would experience in the early stages of comming up on a psycadelic. Not much to write home about. The stuff taste awful even after melting a couple of sugar cubes.

[ganjahero420]

i thought absinthes effects differed from alcohol because of the thujone containted in the wormwood? it is supposed to give "clarity" to the alcohol buzz. i really have no idea i was just looking for clarification.

[shogun875]

Originally Posted by ganjahero420

i thought absinthes effects differed from alcohol because of the thujone containted in the wormwood? it is supposed to give "clarity" to the alcohol buzz. i really have no idea i was just looking for clarification.

absinthe does contain thujone, but only in small amounts. You would die from alcohol poisoning before any real effect from thujone could be felt. other alcohols, such as vermouth, actually have a higher thujone concentration than absinthe

[Jatelka]

Originally Posted by ganjahero420

i thought absinthes effects differed from alcohol because of the thujone containted in the wormwood?

Why do I provide links when nobody reads the fucking things? Answers on a postcard please

[shogun875]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

The are many threads on absinthe and it's effects, found by UTFSE! See here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...light=absinthe

Experiences... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...he+experiences

There are also 2 great papers in the archive...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=55&id=4303
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=55&id=3419

which debunk the myth of absinthe being any different from any other strong booze

I just read all of them, and they all seem to conclude that absinthe is just really strong alcohol.....

[RedBaron]

I guess the media likes to exaggerate on even more things than i thought. If anybody has seen that movie Eurotrip it shows them having wild hallucinations after drinking Absinthe haha. Swim drank it without the sugar cubes and you're right it tasted horrible, unless you're a big fan of black licorice i'd guess.

Thnaks for the information

[sandoz1943]

SWIMs recipie calls for Calumus. Calumus is a stimulant in small doses and hallucinogenic in larger doses. Possibly the concentration of Calumus by steeping or stilling combined with the Wormwood is what gave SWIMs brew a slightly trippy edge.

[shogun875]

Originally Posted by sandoz1943

SWIMs recipie calls for Calumus. Calumus is a stimulant in small doses and hallucinogenic in larger doses. Possibly the concentration of Calumus by steeping or stilling combined with the Wormwood is what gave SWIMs brew a slightly trippy edge.

this could be possible, but still 'a slightly trippy edge' is far different from 'wild hallucinations'

SWIM thinks its safe to say the hallucinogenic properties of absinthe are vastly exaggerated (that doesnt mean its not a great drink though ).

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

which debunk the myth of absinthe being any different from any other strong booze

Swims ferret would take issue with this- in that all forms of alcohol, at least if well made, have their unique properties. In other words, if one drinks good quality alcohol, a wine drunk is different from a tequila drunk, is different from a rum drunk.

Swims ferret does agree thujone content is more of a modern marketing ploy then anything else. Many of the preban absinthes seem to have been relatively low on thujone content.

Swims ferret remembers reading a theory (in an issue of Erowid extracts this past winter) that postulated that since thujone is stored in the fat cells of the body, that alcoholics whose drink is absinthe could build up a thujone level that consumption of absinthe could push to the level of producing effects, and that this may be where some of the legends originate. But for the casual drinker, absinthe is little more then a clear drunk. (swims ferret finds it to be the only alcohol allowing for clear reasoning and intelligent conversation when "drunk")

[helikophis]

Originally Posted by terrapinzflyer

But for the casual drinker, absinthe is little more then a clear drunk. (swims ferret finds it to be the only alcohol allowing for clear reasoning and intelligent conversation when "drunk")

I've heard reports that the quality of intoxication produced by certain gins (Plymouth, for instance) can be very similar to that of absinthe, clean and lucid, a drunk where you don't realize how drunk you actually have become.

[Jatelka]

sandoz1943: Please post absinthe recipes here... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...sinthe+recipes

[sandoz1943]

Thanks Jatelka. I posted it in the thread. I included a recipie for an Absinthe Martini as well.

[shwinehund]

SWIM split a bottle of Taboo Absinthe which is traditionally made from fruit alcohol, and since there is no limit on Tujone in his province, it is made with Grand and petite wormwood herbs, instead of extract.

The effects are very interesting, SWIMs red-nosed friend was getting frustrated, as he was complaining that his back wasn't relaxing, like it normally does when he drinks. We all agreed that it is a very coherant drunk, where you have moments of being "privately drunk" yet you don't slur your words when you snap out of it.

SWIMs red-nosed friend described it perfectly as a "sophisticated drunk, where you can be drunk, yet still hold an intelligent conversation" It reminded SWIM of Psilocybe in a way, chaos contrasted with crystal clear lucidity, and the constant stream of philosophical jokes that we were all telling, definately makes one feel like a poet or a cackling mad/wiseman.

As for hallucinations, SWIM went out to smoke a bong (SWIM is a daily cannabis smokertoker) and after the bong lit a cigarette. SWIM thought it would be better to finish the bottle, then return to the cigarette, instead of debating such a thing like he normally does, SWIM promply, without hesitation, put it out and went inside to finish the bottle.

So SWIM and co. finished the bottle, SWIM went outside to retreive his cigarette and took it inside to wait for his friends to find something, then come for a walk around the block. SWIM was standing in his friends basement, not really paying attention, cigarette between fingers, he imagined/hallucinated himself smoking the cigarette. When he realized he was inside, and the cigarette not lit, he saw a plume of smoke drift infront of him. "No way! Nowaynowaynoway!" He exitedly went to look for his friends to tell them, but got distracted, and decided he would wait to tell him. At that moment, his friend came running down the stairs, then sat down on them and said he saw a figure or a ghost in a cloak, upstairs, sitting on a bed. SWIM told him what he saw, and they both agreed that they had either seen "La Fee" or some sort of ghost (which is not likely, as SWIMS friends house is a 30 year old stucco box, with little history)

SWIM and 1 friend then decided to go for a walk, SWIM had his cigarette, and was really enjoying the conversation. He found the conversation interesting, but unlike normal, he had to make no effort to remember what he was going to say, but still be listening completely to what was being said. This conversation was not only interesting but relaxing, as SWIM could formlate thought at the same time as listening to what was being said.

Absinthe does more than just desolve boundaries between people, and between inside and outside the head. It almost allows the drinkers mind to be in sync with the rest of his enviroment and company. SWIM remembers his friend mentioning that he felt telepathic, and SWIM agreed, as they often found themselves finishing each others sentences, and thoughts. SWIM found this very MDMA like, minus the personal crap, that seemed trivial. They were more interested in the bigger picture.

A mindful drunk, creative thinking, contrasted with razor sharp moments of clarity, where one feels sober.

As for the day after, SWIM only feels a little stupid (comparatively to other "days after") and is interested in tuna melts, and really long posts on D.F

[thebige]

Swim was reading about this guy that had chemicaly analyzed 100+ year old bottles of the stuff to find out what the dillio was........
Swim dosen't think swim willl post the name of the product because swim thinks he now produces the stuff for sale..........
It is one thing swim plans on drinking before they put swims bones in a box.......
Although swim dosen't drink anymore.......He will do a weekend with the green stuff for shits and giggles............

[Fango]

SWIM has drank a few forms of absinthe from all over Europe. I'd agree that the real stuff is just really strong alcohol, not the allusive hallucinogenic green ambrosia it is romanticized as.

SWIM is a fan of aniseed and does think that a nice double shot of 90% Black Absinthe can be a good start to a night where you want to make up a bit of lost time. Hehe, dont take that as advise tho, just SWIM's opinion.