Injecting - No veins, very frustrating

[m.swinehart81]

Cant ever find vein and have been muscling it for some time now. ANyone know how to get the vein to pop back up? Is there any way to do this that will be more effective than muscling it if I cant get a vein back?

[chillinwill]

Try researching injection locations and where the veins run in the body. Then find that vein in SWIY's body and try to hit that one. If one is already IV'ing a lot and need to muscle in drugs, it will probably be best to find several injection sites and rotate them rather than overuse one spot.

[m.swinehart81]

Ok, I found a site that says, upper arms, lower arms, feet, legs, hands/wrists, and neck. I have hit all of those and they are just about shit now. Anyone have any ideas?

[chillinwill]

There might be some veins that haven't been used it that SWIY might have not located yet....Try searching on Google for pictures of the veins in the body and try to correspond that with SWIY's body. This is no guarantee as SWIY might have really used all their veins up but Red Rock thinks SWIY might find a couple they haven't used before.

[m.swinehart81]

I just now did a small shot, but it didnt do much since it was pretty small (waitin for the dope man to show up...) plus I have been trying to switch over to suboxone since I have had a heroin habit for the last 5 almost 6 years solid. The switch isnt going very well. I went about 27 hrs without a shot but just did one. I literally found crumbs and pieces stuck to the table I use to shoot up at... Pretty sad huh? Anyway, I spent a little time on methadone and a smaller amount of time on suboxone and then fell off the wagon. When I started using again which was about 8-10 months ago my veins were fine and I was able to hit no problem. Now though it seems like there arent any veins left except for the really superficial small veins that are really close to the surface which is what I just hit a here a second ago. I can hit those once and have it go ok sometimes but for the most part they just pop or something...The veins in my neck are just hard chunks now, my feet and legs are just big purple bruises everywhere, and trying to even find a vein in my hand is harder than finding a needle in a haystack... Is there a way to reguvinate your veins or are there veins I am missing that I could be hitting if I knew they were there? Someone please help! If the vein thing is out of the question at this point does anyone know a better way of injection rather than put it in the muscle?

m.swinehart81 added 1 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

What is SWYI? I am not familiar with this term...

[chillinwill]

Please avoid self-incriminating yourself as this is a violation of this sites rules. This is why most people on this forum use the term SWIM (someone who isn't me) when referring to illegal activities. On DF, people are not only encouraged to use SWIM, but something such as a dream, a friend, a pet, a crazy aunt, etc. SWIY refers to Someone Who Isn't You.

[m.swinehart81]

Got ya. I suppose that makes good sense.

m.swinehart81 added 3 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

You know if hitting in the palm of the hand would work? I know there are veins there but am not sure if they are big enough to use...???

[Spucky]

as long swiny`s body is working well as long there are Veins!
But before swiny try to go to the deep ones
(there are really big ones, but more than 4-8cm. deep,
but also the risk is very high)
he have to try the Rektal-Application.
(use the search engine)
The BV. is only a few % lower than the direct shot!

Give the Body some time to Recover!

[m.swinehart81]

You mean stick it in swim's anus? Swim has done that with pills before but never with heroin. is it normal for veins to shit out on someone within 8 months of regular use or is that abnormal? If I am to go for these deep veins how do I know where they are? What does swim look for to hit in these and have it work? Nothing pops out anymore. Doesnt matter if swim wrapped 15 belts around his arm....

[Spucky]

Swim do not tell Swiny, because it is very different from People to People.
But trust Swim, Rektal is nearly the same like I.V.,
i am sure swiny will find a lot of Information here,
if he use the search engine!

Alternative:
use warm Water, pusch a Gumball, make a Fist, and pusch the Arm up and down, and this 100 Times!
Swiny will be surprized,
but much better it will be swiny is listen to his body
and take a break Time!
Intravenoes is not everything!

What a kind of Guns he is using,
sometimes there is a need for a Change of the Gauge!

Spucky added 3 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

Sorry,
but if he use the deep ones he need of course also a bigger Gun,
because he have to controll if he is in a Vene and not a Lymphatic-Vessel!!!

[tourniquet]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Cant ever find vein and have been muscling it for some time now. ANyone know how to get the vein to pop back up? Is there any way to do this that will be more effective than muscling it if I cant get a vein back?

SWIM can give an athlas with actual images of veins (locations vary very little especially at big veins), pictures taken on cadavers.
just tell how to give it to swiy...

tourniquet added 22 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

and no, no need for bigger "gun"....insulin makes just fine, just have to push it in straight and not at angle to go deeper...

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by tourniquet

and no, no need for bigger "gun"....insulin makes just fine, just have to push it in straight and not at angle to go deeper...

Never ever use a diabetic-Syringe, the Veins do not like this!!!
(look @ the Photo-Gallery, the dont have enough sharpness,
it`s like Barbwire,
the Veins cant heal easly)
The deep ones swiny have to controll about the Lymphatic-Vessel,
(see 2Posts above)
Inside of this Vessel can be some ml. Bood,
so swiny think:
But if he shoot only a little bit inside he will loose his Arm or Leg!

[tourniquet]

Originally Posted by Spucky

Never ever use a diabetic-Syringe, the Veins do not like this!!!
(look @ the Photo-Gallery, the dont have enough sharpness,
it`s like Barbwire,
the Veins cant heal easly)
The deep ones swiny have to controll about the Lymphatic-Vessel,
(see 2Posts above)
Inside of this Vessel can be some ml. Bood,
so swiny think:
But if he shoot only a little bit inside he will loose his Arm or Leg!

True. But lymphatic vessels don't have blood inside...they got lymph. Lymph is colorless and it's no way it can mistaked for blood vessel.
SWIM did once get into a lymp vessel. She drained some perfectly colorless liquid that came in with great pressure. Of course, she took the needle out and moved away. One has to be damn stupid to shoot into that...
Checking for blood should always be done. Checking the color of that blood and its texture ensures not shooting in some artery. As long as swianyone check for these things, theres no way really great harm can be done.

[tourniquet]

Originally Posted by Spucky

Never ever use a diabetic-Syringe, the Veins do not like this!!!
(look @ the Photo-Gallery, the dont have enough sharpness,
it`s like Barbwire,
the Veins cant heal easly)
The deep ones swiny have to controll about the Lymphatic-Vessel,
(see 2Posts above)
Inside of this Vessel can be some ml. Bood,
so swiny think:
But if he shoot only a little bit inside he will loose his Arm or Leg!

SWIY are right, insulin rgs are not meant for IV use, indeed not sharp enough and the lenght of needle is smalller than with 2ml rigs for example....but this shorter needle is somewhat safer. Why? Coz someone can't get too deep in there...Veins run along with arteries and lymphatic vessels, especially deep ones. SWIM personally tried only once to shoot with a 2ml rig, detachable needle and that was her only try. Coz, first of all, it hurts like shit to poke that thick needle through. Second, the detachable needle makes it retain some good units of gear within, which one can wash away (and get inside his vein) only with a lot of re-drawing re-pushing in blood., and this is a fuckup as it solicitates the vein even more. Third...the lenght of the needle panicked her coz she could get SO deep. She was in the femoral triangle area (SWIM supposes thats what swiy mean by "waist", cant imagine someone actually shooting in his waist..). Fourth...the hole that needle makes in the fragile vein walls is a hell of a lot bigger than the hole left by the insulin needle...which makes the vein harder to heal, more bleeding when withdrawing the needle. It probably fucks up the vein as many times as its needles's diameter is bigger than insulin one's. That's some good reason for any swimmer preffer the insulin rigs, as swimmers' greatest problems are the vein problems, collapsing and hardening. As for their sharpness, they are sharp when they're new, they're designed to pierce the skin anyways, so just using new ones could ensure one about their sharpness.
Veins in general don't like what swimmers do to them, even in the best conditions and with greatest care....let's just keep the damage at minimum, so they can be used for a longer time for long,happy lives of junkies.

[m.swinehart81]

So Swim is pretty curious about this anal technique. Swim uses 29g insulin syringes. So how exactly does someone go about squirtin this stuff in his bum?

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

So Swim is pretty curious about this anal technique. Swim uses 29g insulin syringes. So how exactly does someone go about squirtin this stuff in his bum?

Use the fu....... search engine,
why he is not doing this?
Swiny will find a quick answer for all his question~!

First: Do not use a Needle, she is not important

[m.swinehart81]

Thanks tourniquet. swim sent swiy a message with info on how to contact swim.

[Spucky]

Hmmm, i am talking about the deep Veins in the Waist, the Danger of hitting
a Lympher-line or Vessel here is very, very High.
So swiny have to controll many Times if he still is inside the Vein.
A diabetic Syringe mostly have a max. Volume of 2 ml. (afaswimr.)
Also it`s only a few mm. long.
This ist not enough to go the safe Way!

But Swim is not a Doc, so he dont know it absolutly and also stop Shooting,
but he done shooting this Vein almost for 10 Years
and every Day he has a lot of Fear, because he see on the Szene
People lost a leg or 2!

I guess the best Way, if the Ts. "need" to find a Way,
is learning by someone with a medical Degree (swim learned by his Doc.)!
Learning by Internet or by Books is a little bit Dangerous!

[m.swinehart81]

Actually I had someone help swim finding some deep veins in swim's neck. Swim has been hitting them for days and they are working like a charm. Swim used to try the whole hot bath thing and then look at himself with a bright light. That worked for the veins in his chest but he cant seem to even hit the ones he can still see. Any input on why he would not be able to hit veins he can still even see?
Swim has never smoked H before but he always thought it would be much less pleasurable than veining it. Somone had mentioned that swim should try it analy. Swim hasnt heard anyone else talk about it so swim is a bit wary of doing it that way. What if it makes him shit his pants or something... haha Plus pucky keeps mentioning a search engine. Is this a search engine on this site or is he just referring to like google or something?

[pinksox]

If SWIM already has two non-functioning main neck veins, they need to be VERY, VERY careful about mucking around here. One's head really, really needs to be able to return blood back out of their head and the sources are not unlimited! Be careful here. There are plenty of deep veins elsewhere.

Any input on why he would not be able to hit veins he can still even see?

Just because they're visible doesn't mean they're not fairly deep. SWIM might have more luck hitting those deep ones with a 22g as it has a bit more control for accessing those deep ones. Just make sure SWIY knows what to look for between hitting veins and arteries.

pucky keeps mentioning a search engine. Is this a search engine on this site or is he just referring to like google or something?

Search engine is either here or google. There's plenty of info on plugging right here at DF. Bioavailability/absorption rectally is nearly on par with IV. SWIY's at the point they really need to give their veins a rest. SWIM thinks they've been getting some H cut with some pretty harsh stuff vein-wise. It's easy to chemically burn and fry those little buggers. Or they've missed a lot. 8 months is a fairly short time to have such severe problems unless one or both of those conditions occur.

SWIM needs to think seriously about finding another route of admin or even doing the -done for awhile. But, dude, SWIY's veins need a break or he's really gonna be in trouble health-wise a few years down the road.

[mugwump77]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Somone had mentioned that swim should try it analy. Swim hasnt heard anyone else talk about it so swim is a bit wary of doing it that way. What if it makes him shit his pants or something... haha Plus pucky keeps mentioning a search engine. Is this a search engine on this site or is he just referring to like google or something?

as for analy, that would work, usually it involves a syringe without a needle containing the water/drug mixture and some vasaline. insert and slowly push the liquid in (warm water suggested). tighten up the butthole and feel it come along. if it made you shit your pants i'd count that as a plus, since it sounds like you've been maining for so long you oprobably have some serious vintage poop in your intestines.

as for the search engine (also sometimes refered UTFSE: "use the friggin' search engine") is yes, google, or the search bar provided within the site. up top is a button "search" which you can scroll down and select "advanced search" then you put in your parameters: words, whether it's the title or just anywhere in the thread, and most importantly: the parts of the forum you wish to search. to select multiple forum catagories hold ctrl while clicking. a little trial and error, and you will have learned a super helpful skill in navigating all sorts of forums. i have been a newbie forever on many forums simply because the info is already there in the search engine. hope that helps.

[MaryWarner]

A friend of mine told me that consuming heroine anally might have quite the same effectas IV. he told me to write to swiny that there is no difference in cooking it up a.s.o. up to the point of injecting.the difference is not to use a needle whatsoever size but to put it on uranus and squirting the whole shit in. for people without hemorrhoids this should be all...
as to the size of needles SWIM has found out that there is a gauge of25G x 5/8 inches (in metric 0.5 x 16mm) to be used, it is not too small and not too big, at least for superficial veins.
the ones to be used in deeper veins should be about 25Gx 1".
and please tell SWIY not to use the isuline needles because of their shape, the better SWIY is to his veins thelonger they should last.

[m.swinehart81]

where would swim get needles other than insulin syringes. There is not needle exchanges where swim lives

[pinksox]

Doctors Foster and Smith online. But not if needles are illegal to purchase in your State...they're not in SWIMs.

Go for the Monoject and not the economy brand however.


From earlier:
SWIM concurs with the others about breaktime for IV use; however,

Reusable heat packs, small ones, like 2' by 3" that are activated by flexing a metal disc within can be found online or camping supply stores are useful in helping veins to pop up.

Also hanging the extremity lower than the heart for a few minutes.

The light technique is quite useful as well. It's often used in hospitals...especially with newborns/neonates who are notoriously difficult to get an IV line on. Works great in adult human hands too.

Also, one doesn't want their tourniquet as tight as possible. because by making it tight, one cuts off both venous AND arterial flow. What one wants to do is to cut off venous return while still allowing the arteries to supply blood to the extremity...THAT's how veins pop up.

To practice and get a "feel" for how tight it should be a good guideline is to tie up and then feel for radial pulse in the wrist. If that's disappeared completely "you're" too tight...that means "you've" cut off the arterial flow not just the venous return.

But once sclerosed, hardened, burnt...(closed off) those veins are pretty much toast. It takes years and years for them to come back...if they ever do at all(its not common). And SWIY is pretty much guaranteeing themselves are early demise as circulatory systems naturally lessen in their capabilities as on ages when they're perfectly healthy and have never been abused. SWIY is shutting down veins now that would otherwise pick up the slack as other veins age. SWIY isn't going to have those to fall back on now and is likely to have major circulatory, blood pressure, heart, liver, and lung problems later in life because of it.

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late approval on the emphasis of how tight one ties off. so very true.

[m.swinehart81]

Swim usually orders over the net. There are a few pharmacies where he lives that will sell but they are few and far between. He usually gets the monoject but the last time he bought the cheaper crap and they sucked. It was like the shaft was made of fucking sandpaper! Swim just wonders if he can purchase longer needles than the longest insulin syringe. Would swiy know if that is possible?

m.swinehart81 added 2 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

To pinksox, swim has many veins that are hard as rocks. two in his neck and several in his arms. So your saying that those veins may never be restored. Does swiy know what kind of effect that could have on swim later in life?