Drug info - Subboxone

[euph0ric]

So I have never tried heroin, but i have tried subboxone, which in case you don't know is a drug given to help curb the addictions of recovering heroin users. I let an entire pill dissolve on my tongue, i dont know the dose, but it was a red octogon pill with N8 written on it. i was wondering how a pill like this compares to actual heroin.

[xxdan123xx]

Well thje high is nothing compared to H. But the sickness should of been about 10x worse. If swiy had no opiate tollerance 8mgs which is what an n8 is could make swiy very very sicK!

[electrolingus]

The effects of suboxone are very different from the effects of true opiates such as heroin. The way suboxone works in the brain is one of the main reasons why this is so. Suboxone does not provide the same euphoric effect that heroin does. Suboxone is also taken under the tongue and not on it. For someone with no opiate tolerance, 8mg of suboxone is more likely to make one feel nauseous more then anything.

[Junkhead23]

SWIM would argue that subbies do have quite a similar high to heroin. Before addicted he snorted a few subbies and it gave him a tremendous high and resulted in him nodding out for the majority of the night. SWIY really need to snort it to get best effects

[euph0ric]

when swim took his subby, he had taken quite a few opiates before (hydrocodone mostly) and he let a full pill dissolve in his mouth. he felt really good and it had a great opiate effect, and he did not feel sick at all.

[electrolingus]

SWIM knows of a few people who feel suboxone is just as euphoric as hydro or oxycodone. SWIM would not say that suboxone comes close to providing the euphoria that heroin provides. The nod, the itch, the warmth, the rough voice. SWIM gets none of that with suboxone. Everyone is different though.

[Naked Lunch]

Swim wouldn't even put the effects of each medication in the same catagory. They are black and white in differences. Heroin is better than sex, warm, cuddly, euphoric and comforting, while subs just stop one feeling sick, they actually don't give one a buzz at all, not hard opiate users anyways. By hard swim means a $600 a day Heroin habit.

[kaloochi]

Originally Posted by Naked Lunch

By hard swim means a $600 a day Heroin habit.

Are you sure about that? Is the gear complete shit or are you paying stupid prices for it. Even in £$20 bags that's a lot of fucking gear AND money to find.

Subutex and Suboxone are different. SWIMS been on both. He used to snort the 'utex and it gave a speedy sort of opiate buzz. That's when he was scripted. In prison 'utex is much sort after because it buzzes you like a bit of gear, some say better. 'Oxone has naltraxone in it [an added blocker] SWIMS heard you can't snort 'oxone but doesn't know if this is true. He did it once and got no effect but this could have been Because he didn't have enough. When he was snorting the 'utex daily his nose felt permanently blocked which was horrible. He thinks if he'd taken it under the tongue like it's supposed to be taken the effects would have been different, less speedy.

[Junkhead23]

Yeah SWIM couldn't take them any more but when not addicted they are great

Thats why they go for such a ridiculous price in prison

[Hapworth]

SWIM is lucky in that just a small nibble from an 8mg suboxone pill (disolved under the tongue) makes the withdrawal go away. SWIM has heard reports that when people with no opiate tolerance or only mild opiate addiction take a whole 8mg pill under the tongue, there can be intense euphoria. But SWIM prefers to use these the right way. In fact, the .2 mg size sold in Europe as temgesic does the trick for him. A small nibble of suboxone goes a long way for him.

[BullIslandGirl]

SWIM took Subby before h addiction kicked in and got the same feeling that you would from a vicodin thats with no opiate tolerance but now with the tolerance it does nothing to swim just keeps the withdrawl at bay and puts you into a chemical prison for a few days. Even so I am surprised it didnt make yo go to sleep SWIM slept for the entire day the first time

[m.swinehart81]

Naloxone (or narcan or naltraxone or whatever you want to call it) should make you sick if you snort it or shoot it. From everything I have heard from doctors and everywhere else, the only way that it should really put you into withdrawls is if you snort it or shoot it. From what I understand the drug has no effect on the body unless it is taken in one of those two ways.
I am kind of confused about this though. I hear alot of people talking about snorting suboxone and none of them say anything about getting sick. I dont know if they are actually snorting subutex all the while thinking it is suboxone or what.
Anyway, like I said, according to doctors and a whole fuck ton of other people I have talked to about it... If you snort or shoot suboxone the narcan will take effect and make you sick as fuck.
Ok, Im done...

[nick23]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Naloxone (or narcan or naltraxone or whatever you want to call it) should make you sick if you snort it or shoot it. From everything I have heard from doctors and everywhere else, the only way that it should really put you into withdrawls is if you snort it or shoot it. From what I understand the drug has no effect on the body unless it is taken in one of those two ways.
I am kind of confused about this though. I hear alot of people talking about snorting suboxone and none of them say anything about getting sick. I dont know if they are actually snorting subutex all the while thinking it is suboxone or what.
Anyway, like I said, according to doctors and a whole fuck ton of other people I have talked to about it... If you snort or shoot suboxone the narcan will take effect and make you sick as fuck.
Ok, Im done...

Oh man,you should know better than to listen to doctors!

You can shoot suboxone-just keep the dose under 6-8mgs.

SWIM is NOT recommending shooting or snorting suboxone or subutex-it's a really bad idea.

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Why say its not bad to shoot suboxone and then say you don't recommend it? Please state your reasons why

[m.swinehart81]

Im not sure I agree with that...
According to the american heart association, an adult who is overdosing should have anywhere from .4mg to 2mg of naloxone administered in order to reverse the effects of the opiates in there system. They do say that this regiment can be repeated up to 10mg being admimistered but say that the 2mg dose or close to it should do the trick.

So let me get this straight. An 8mg tablet of suboxone contains 2mg of naloxone. So you take someone that isnt overdosing and they shoot up an 8mg tablet of suboxone and your saying that they are not going to get sick?
This may be true if the person doing this has no opiate dependance what so ever but if they do they are going to be in a world of hurt.

Am I right in thinking this?

[nick23]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Im not sure I agree with that...
According to the american heart association, an adult who is overdosing should have anywhere from .4mg to 2mg of naloxone administered in order to reverse the effects of the opiates in there system. They do say that this regiment can be repeated up to 10mg being admimistered but say that the 2mg dose or close to it should do the trick.

So let me get this straight. An 8mg tablet of suboxone contains 2mg of naloxone. So you take someone that isnt overdosing and they shoot up an 8mg tablet of suboxone and your saying that they are not going to get sick?
This may be true if the person doing this has no opiate dependance what so ever but if they do they are going to be in a world of hurt.

Am I right in thinking this?

Someone with no opiate tolerence shouldn't do this,in fact they really shouldn't inject any opiate.
Folks taking subs regularly can and do shoot suboxone.

and very obviously anyone addicted to an other opiate should not try it unless in wd and even then should use another roa at first to avoid precipitated wds.

[m.swinehart81]

Not trying to be argumentative at all here. Just want to say that first.

I just dont understand how anyone with an opiate habit could shoot up 2mg of naloxone and not get sick. It just doesnt make sense to me. Im not saying it cant or doesnt happen but it just doesnt compute for me. I understand shooting up subutex but that doesnt contain naloxone (narcan).
Swim has been hit with naloxone when od'ing and has seen others get hit with it as well. After seeing something like that swim cant figure out how a person with a dependancy on opiates could shoot it up and not go into withdrawls. Drugs dont pick and choose when they want to do their job. They just do them...
I would love it if someone could explain how a junkie could get away with shooting up 2mg of naloxone, even if it is stuck in a pill that also contains 8mg of beupronorphine.

[nick23]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

Not trying to be argumentative at all here. Just want to say that first.

I just dont understand how anyone with an opiate habit could shoot up 2mg of naloxone and not get sick. It just doesnt make sense to me. Im not saying it cant or doesnt happen but it just doesnt compute for me. I understand shooting up subutex but that doesnt contain naloxone (narcan).
Swim has been hit with naloxone when od'ing and has seen others get hit with it as well. After seeing something like that swim cant figure out how a person with a dependancy on opiates could shoot it up and not go into withdrawls. Drugs dont pick and choose when they want to do their job. They just do them...
I would love it if someone could explain how a junkie could get away with shooting up 2mg of naloxone, even if it is stuck in a pill that also contains 8mg of beupronorphine.

No your logic is correct,but the dosage is off.If you start shooting more than 6-8mgs........bad things can and will happen.Which is why I metioned that dose two posts ago.

[m.swinehart81]

the max of what your saying is still an 8mg tablet which would still contain 2mg of naloxone.... and even 6mg of "suboxone" would still contain 1.5mg of naloxone. The desired effect of naloxone can be achieved with as little as .4mg.
Like I said though, I am not saying it cant be done and it sounds like it is being done by some pretty dumb people. I dont ever plan on trying this and no matter what anyone says I would advise everyone to NOT SHOOT UP SUBOXONE

[nick23]

Originally Posted by m.swinehart81

the max of what your saying is still an 8mg tablet which would still contain 2mg of naloxone.... and even 6mg of "suboxone" would still contain 1.5mg of naloxone. The desired effect of naloxone can be achieved with as little as .4mg.
Like I said though, I am not saying it cant be done and it sounds like it is being done by some pretty dumb people. I dont ever plan on trying this and no matter what anyone says I would advise everyone to NOT SHOOT UP SUBOXONE

Dumb probably.......desperate definitely.

and it's more appropriate to say,don't shoot suboxone or subutex.

[m.swinehart81]

Agreed. Shouldnt do anything with it except use it how its meant to be used. Swim doesnt understand how people use sub. recreationaly. Swim has used sub. before but always for withdrawls and it never gave him any kind of euphoria...

[dyingtomorrow]

SWIM would flip between H and suboxone, and couldn't get anything close to a high from suboxone no matter how much he did. Recently, SWIM at rehab after being 100% clean for a month snorted some subbies he got from another dude who was detoxing there. He was just tired for about 30 hours ... it wasn't shit compared to heroin.

[Ilsa]

Originally Posted by euph0ric

So I have never tried heroin, but i have tried subboxone, which in case you don't know is a drug given to help curb the addictions of recovering heroin users. I let an entire pill dissolve on my tongue, i dont know the dose, but it was a red octogon pill with N8 written on it. i was wondering how a pill like this compares to actual heroin.

first, and apologies if my cat has missed any posts on this already, but please use swim (someone who isn't me) when posting, even about legal substances.

that said, the effects are pretty different in terms of euphoria, even to an opiate naive person swi-electrrolingus said it already:

Suboxone does not provide the same euphoric effect that heroin does.

suboxone (buprenorphine + naloxone) is used recreationally, but it's pretty low on the list. any drug devised as a means of maintenance is by definition designed to minimize enjoyability. one may feel effects the first few times they use it, but these rapidly diminish with consistent use.

swi-dying knows what he's talking about here, so his post is dead-on for the opiate-experienced.


ADDENDUM: just having noticed the repeated mentions of injecting suboxone: the consensus is absolutely correct here. shooting pills in general is nasty stuff, as the binders left behind, even with most forms of filtering, wreak absolute havoc on the tiny blood vessels in the retinas and kidneys and lots of other important places in the body over time. bad idea.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM doesn't find it that much like herion. It did make him puke quite a lot the first time he did it.

[Wehr]

Originally Posted by Ilsa

suboxone (buprenorphine + naloxone) is used recreationally, but it's pretty low on the list. any drug devised as a means of maintenance is by definition designed to minimize enjoyability. one may feel effects the first few times they use it, but these rapidly diminish with consistent use.

SwiLisa hit the nail on the head there. Usually after 1 - 2 weeks of continued use the user would feel no effects at all.

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by Wehr

SwiLisa hit the nail on the head there. Usually after 1 - 2 weeks of continued use the user would feel no effects at all.

But they would feel "effects" if they stopped taking it at that point! Heh. Bad ones.

~Kailey