Best mdma alternative I’ve found???

[Unsolved]

For me personally the best mdma alternative I've found is not herbal xtc or any of that other crape being sold on the net. Believe me I've tried all that ephderine products and 5htp crape and been let down like all the rest of you. Since e is never in my area I had to find something right? I've found caffine and a ssri anti-depressant (paxil, lexapro zoloft) produce the best results for a e like high (if your perscribed daily it already this will not work). Now make no mistake e is e and nothing will be exactly the same. But I've found this high to be simuliar in a lot of ways making the best substution I've found. Dosages on caffine and ssri anti depressant will vary depending on what you plan on using. Just an idea I've been trying and its just my 2 cents.

[Red_Baran]

i think what you have there is some placebo going on. i useto take paxil (evil drug) and drink shit loads of coffee (even the first day i took it) and never ever got a buzz. i think the resion this wouldnt really work is because ssri;s need to build up in your system for them to even work


hell i could be wrongEdited by: Red_Baran

[moldie]

deffinately just a placebo effect. methylone is the best legal replacement for mdma that i've yet come across.

[Red_Baran]

methylone isnt really legal, in the US

[moldie]

It's a grey area, almost anything can be made illegal under the analogue act. There are a few suppliers sending explosion as well as pure methylone to the states, and I haven't heard of any legal problems so far.

[hogg]

Actually it technically is covered by the analouge act. Although there have never been any arrests that have gone to trial where this law has been put to the test... For purchasers of the substance.


Although when operation web tryp happend several US RC suppliers were arrested.. none of their customers have been charged.


So if you can find a source.. you should be ok. Most likley at least.


happy hunting!

[sg43]

methylone is great and all, but its still anywhere to 15-20 usd a hit.... i would personaly recomend 2C-I, if you find a good source it can be under $5 for a dose of 25mg.

[Tony Blair]

Methylone.. Or Maybe 2c-i (or even 2c-b)

[sg43]

ActualyI take that back, 2c-I is nothing like mdma, it sent me into one of the weirdest trips ive ever had....id have to say methylone is the only alternative even close at this point.

[club222]

Originally Posted by moldie

It's a grey area, almost anything can be made illegal
under the analogue act. There are a few suppliers sending explosion as
well as pure methylone to the states, and I haven't heard of any legal
problems so far.

There are also suppliers in the United States selling explosion.



But yeah, methylone is the closest alternative to MDMA

[Unsolved]

I've been looking and looking online and at headshops and as far as I heard It thought that explosion was discountined or made illegel in the US. Even in Europe I've heard it is harder and harder to find. What is explore exactly does anyone know?? At least that's what I heard from the people I've been talking too about Explore. I guess you guys must know where to find it.

[prospero]

Methylone is certainly a good alternative, and I've foundthat mixing with a SMALL amount of 2C-I creates an experience all but identical to MDMA.


I've also taken ephedrine as an alternative to MDMA and though I liked it it was nowhere near as good.

[oldman]

what is a typical dose of methylone? I've seen it listed but it's like $100 for 200 mgs. I've heard a typical dose is 200 - 300 mgs depending if you want a booster -- which is generally recommended. This is a pretty expensive trip especially if you add 2c-i. Is my dosage info correct?

[Unsolved]

Wow is it really listed for that much.How much do you think it would cost to actually make this stuff I'd say 5 bucks max to make. If that's true don't think I'll be trying that anytime soon.

[club222]

From what I've seen, methylone doses usually start out around 150mg or
so. Explosion has different reported amounts of methylone in it ranging
from 180mg-280mg, but a couple members on here evaporated the liquid to
be left with a powder, and they all came out with ~240mg per vial.
Explosion is harder to find now so prices have gone up, but it's still
only about 1/5 of the price oldman listed.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

MBDB is close, except there is no energy there. Actually made SWIm
kinda sleepy, but the empathy is definitely there, lots of it.



MBDB plus BZP is good. The BZP gives the energy that the MBDB lacks.



Also BZP plus TFMPP is good.



None is an exact substitute though.

[Tony Blair]

Heh, if the guy cant find MDMA, the chances of finding MBDB is *LOW*

[Unsolved]

Yeah I know what you mean. What would you say an easier to find good xtc alternative would be. Since I am not able to easily find any of the stuff were talking about right now? Edited by: Unsolved

[truestbet]

Swim says when the closest thing to mdma when he can't get mdma would be mda.Swim says the effects are very similar and go particularly well together. If you think caffeine and ssris are similar... why not stick with that? Swim hashadmistakenly taken meth thinking it wasmdmaand didnt realize until 10 hours later! Swim has also said that good coke can also feel like mdma but for a shorter period of time. If this is a question of not being able to find drugs, or not being able to do them, they may want to consider nootropic smart drugs or alcohol. peice

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

SWIM got lucky and found the MBDB at a certain relatively obscure and
hard to google-link to internet RC vendor, just
4 months before Operation Web Tryp shut most of them down in the
USA. SWIM was just typing all the short names of chemz in Pihkal
in google, and then hard-headedly looking at every last page of the
links there before moving on, and low and behold, on page 24 of the
links to MBDB, SWIM found a vendor. It was not cheap either! SWIM
was on a quest to taste each and every chem listed in "the book" he
could get his hands on, regardless of cost or difficulty in obtaining.
The vendor was not aware that he was selling a specifically
listed analog to MDMA, and neither was SWIM aware of it at the time he
ordered.



SWIM was looking in to the legality of another chem one day after the
MBDB was delivered, and found out he had ordered and received a
controlled substance. OOps SWIM wasn't
going to toss it, just because of a little thing like a law, so instead
he ate of it steadily (and quickly over a period of days) untill it was
gone.



SWIM confidentially notified the vendor of his risk in continued
selling, and sent the vendor a link to the page where the substance was
specifically mentioned by name (while at the same time thanking him for
sending SWIM his). Said vendor quiclky took the MBDB off his menu.



Had the MBDB been legal, and had the vendors not been shut down, SWIM
still would not have re-ordered, as it simply was not very compelling
on it's own without the aid of a companion stimulant.



But yea, chances of finding MBDB now are prolly real slim. And really ya'll, it's no big loss.


Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo

[sg43]

SWIM is just curious, was MBDB really that similar to MDMA, hes heard reports but they have said that it wasn't that good?

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

As mentioned, except for the lack of energy. Lovey, huggy, but SWIM was
most content to just sit there, no feeling to get up and dance. In
fact, almost had to force himself just to get the motivation to get up
and piss. Quite comfortable just sitting there camping out and loving
the world. It wasn't that he "couldn't" move if he wanted to, but
he just simply was content not to move much.



Great stuff to sit around and watch "girlie" movies, which SWIM
generally doesn't like. But the empathy with the characters and
emotions was incredible.

[chico]

Methylone/Explosion is the closest trip to MDMA/XTC that I've ever experienced. The beauty of Explosion is the fact that you're in total control of the buzz, in contrast to pure XTC where you're a bit overwhelming and pushy. Plus, another positive with Methylone/Explosion is the fact that your eyes DO NOT dialate like they do when on XTC. This way you can fool everyone around you.


Again, there is no trip like XTC itself. However, the best alternative would be Methylone/Explosion, no doubt.

[sg43]

What? SWIM hadextremely dilated eyes on methylone, as well as 2c-i. Maybe not as bad as on mdma but still very noticeable.

[chico]

sg43, I've never tried 2c-i so I can't vouch for that one. However, both myself and SWIM did/do not have dialated eyes while on Explosion. This is one of the first things we checked for fear of people noticing.


Grinding of teeth, yes, absolutely. But dialated eyes...nope!