Dose - Getting pods tomorrow

[NeoGeo64]

SWIM ordered a box of 15 large's. This isn't SWIM's first adventure with pods. SWIM was wondering, on average, what is the mg amount of morphine and codeine in a pod? SWIM heard it's around 3-6mg per pod, however, when SWIM makes tea out of two pods SWIM feels like he just maxed out on hydrocodone or somesuch.

NeoGeo64 added 0 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

To clarify, 2-3 pods used to make a tea make me feel like I just popped 50mg hydrocodone.

[G_nome]

Well monkey doesn't know about mg's but he believes that there could be between 10% and 20% morphine in each pod, depending on strain, how they were grown and all that.

[gmeziscool2354]

see, its tough becasue 50 mg's HC would be a nearly fatal over dose for SWIM who is used to taking about 15-25 mg's to be a zombie for 6 hours and experiences a threshold around 7.5-10

swim personally feels that if you are ordering by the box, the smaller pods are a better value since you get significantly more pods but he has found that larger pods are in general stronger (Notta Buena: please note this is a general statement, and he bets there are ping-pong ball sized pods with more dope in them than pods the size of my head, so don't go and get swiyourself killed)

swim would say that it is next to impossible to guess the morphine content of a pod with out trying it. he ain't no conisoure but he can tell that there are many alkaloids working when he doses pods. He thinks that morphine is the most common one, but there are 20 some more present that can 'flavor' the experience.

but yeah, swim would say to start low (duh) because an OD isn't fun and it makes everyone else look bad. plus barfing on opiates is incredibly awful compared to alcohol (dont know how it compares to other drugs tho, only Morning glories, alcohol, dxm, poppies and bupe have made swim sick out of his long list of drugs)

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by NeoGeo64

SWIM ordered a box of 15 large's. This isn't SWIM's first adventure with pods. SWIM was wondering, on average, what is the mg amount of morphine and codeine in a pod? SWIM heard it's around 3-6mg per pod, however, when SWIM makes tea out of two pods SWIM feels like he just maxed out on hydrocodone or somesuch.

NeoGeo64 added 0 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

To clarify, 2-3 pods used to make a tea make me feel like I just popped 50mg hydrocodone.

As is answered a MILLION times over this question is unanswerable.

Each pod will contain a different amount of latex. The strength of that latex remains fairly consistent within the same batch but from pod to pod is totally unpredictable.

So the real answer is ---- No One Knows.

Peace

[NeoGeo64]

Well SWIM thinks it has to be more than 5mg per pod because SWIM has made tea of of two and it feels like at least 30mg of morphine... and SWIM has taken MS-CONTIN in the past.

[hamsterdam]

a poppy pod can generate as much as 80mg of latex when they're slit.. so presumably using the whole pod would have more then that.

80mg of various alkalites.. it's MOST LIKELY more then the equivalent of 6 mg of morphine.

Maybe there's only 6 mg of morphine, but some of the other crap is even more potent then morphine.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by hamsterdam

a poppy pod can generate as much as 80mg of latex when they're slit.. so presumably using the whole pod would have more then that.

80mg of various alkalites.. it's MOST LIKELY more then the equivalent of 6 mg of morphine.

Maybe there's only 6 mg of morphine, but some of the other crap is even more potent then morphine.

There is still no way of determining this.
In theory (and this is PURE conjecture) If 80mg of alkaloids are produced and the average illicit Opium is 10% Morphine (another theoretical number) then that would be 8mg. Tassies produce 30% Morphine (which would be 24mg) but most other real illicit opium strains produce around 20% which would be 16mg.

However. . . .

The latex content of each pod is different so the amount bled would be different. SWIM has had pods that will not even bleed on occasion and then from the same batch have a pod which WILL bleed profusely.

As one can see there is no way to produce even a reliable average that will work across the spectrum. Some medical strains get close to this but are still a little random. The Tasmanian Purple and the Persian White (both commercial legal medical strains) come the closest to this.

The only element that one can rely on is the consistency rule.

Though the latex content will be different within the same batch, the latex potency remains fairly consistent.

Example:

Pod 1 is incised and produces 0.3g of dried latex
Pod 2 is incised and produced 0.2g of dried latex

Both latex's are of the same potency and therefor one is left with half a gram (0.5g) of latex.

Now lets theorize that they are from the Tasmanian Purple strain.

The Morphine content of a Tasmanian Purple is around 30%.
The total alkaloid content of the latex is around 70%.
0.5g x 70% = 0.35g (350mg)
then the alkaloid content.
0.35g x 30% = 0.105g (105mg)

Persian is 20% so the numbers would change.

0.5g x 70% = 0.35g (350mg of total alkaloids)
0.35g x 20% = 0.07g (70mg of Morphine)

Other strains are 15, 18, 17, 10, 12, etc etc Percent so the numbers would change EVERY time. Also it is a generalization because not all latex's produce the same Total alkaloid content within the latex.

So as one can see, there is no answer to "how much is SWIM going to get from one pod?" (or 10 pods) or whatever. The only thing that can be fairly relied on is the consistency rule of a medical strain as outlined above. (SWIM has shown this rule elsewhere but in a quick format and slightly wrong).

This question needs to be in a sticky with other common misconceptions. Like a "mythbusters" of Opium so that people do not continue to ask this same question over and over.

Peace

[NeoGeo64]

SWIM's pods didn't come yet. SWIM was also expecting to pick up 30 10/325 hydrocodones for $80. Someone swooped in and bought them before SWIM could. SWIM is upset.

No pods. No pills. SWIM is gonna go waste $50 on an OC80.

[NeoGeo64]

SWIM got his pods today. He ordered 15 but got 27. SWIM has a great source. The pods themselves are "large" sized. SWIM is going to make a batch of tea using 1.5 pods when SWIM runs out of the OxyContin he has remaining (35-40mg's worth).

SWIM is good for the week.

[gmeziscool2354]

neo-
you talked about using hydrocodone. have you ever mixed it with pods. swim got his hands on one 5 mg pill and decided to take it with his pods (5 won't really do shit for him) to see where it takes him

[NeoGeo64]

Sure the hydrocodone can't hurt. It will probably add more euphoria.

[bcubed]

For the OP: here's some data off the 'net about "poppy straw" potency.

From HeroinHelper:

Second, straw yields 0.2% of its weight in morphine;

From a recently closed poppy forum:

Because poppy straw could be illicitly utilized as a source of morphine, ... The capsules were found to contain between 0.15 - 0.34 per cent morphine, ...

From some UN site:

Hungary used the term "poppy straw" until 1951, but the percentage yield as given by the Permanent Central Opium Board shows that essentially only the capsules were used at least as early as 1947, as a yield of 0.21 per cent could not otherwise be obtained.

From our own D-F:

Poppy straw is defined as the dried poppy head with 10cm of stem, with the seeds and star removed and containing less than 0.2% water. This type of poppy straw is said to contain 040 -0.60 % morphine by weight. (Dried straw directly from the fields as delivered to the Kabay plant averaged 0.3 - 0.4% morphine by weight.)

So, there's the ballpark. Remember that "poppy straw" is ill-defined, and most likely includes some stem in the more "agricultural" reports. Note how the highest estimate comes from a fairly restrictive definition of what to count (10 cm stem, no seeds or crown).

[gmeziscool2354]

neo and as knowledge to all. swim prepared his 5 mg 500 mg apap pill for pluggiin (a crude CWE) but could not find the dropper to shoot it up there. he instead added it to acup of slurry tea. so:
T-20: beverage is prepared. swim goes to take a shit, since he knows he won't for several hours after consumpton (contains the slurry of 3 moderate sized pods and 5 mgs CWE hydrocodone)
t:0 injest brew. tastes god awful, worse than regular tea
T:7-10 feels very strange, doesn't usually come up this fast.
T:25 clearly noticable hydrocodone buzz. strange becasue 5 mg's is such a low dose

over the next hour the hc buzz slowly faded into a regular pod buzz which lasts for about 6-8 hours. swim consumes 3 acoholic drinks during the duration of the buzz (about one an hour) and each one is like taking a 6 pack to the face sober.

all in all, mixing opiates is good, but it is deceptive, swim was really messed up but was able to cary on conversations at a party like he was sober.

[NeoGeo64]

Well, SWIM finished off his remaining oxycodone yesterday. SWIM will miss it. Oxy is too expensive.

SWIM prepared a 3 pod tea this morning and drank it about 40 minutes ago. SWIM is definitely feeling the effects of the tea. There is a all around general feeling of well-being and euphoria but it's milder in some aspects to the oxycodone SWIM did yesterday.

SWIM's opinion is pod tea is this:

Pod Tea = Well-being, less pronounced milder euphoria (in contrast to the opioids, I am NOT saying PT has euphoria you can barely feel) and the overall body feeling is "I could move, but I don't want to".

Opioids = Well-being, energetic and relaxed at the same time, in your face-euphoria, more face-flushing, shorter acting, you want to get up and move around more

In closing, SWIM prefers semisynthetic opioids to poppy tea. PT is a cheap morphine and does get SWIY fix... but opioids produce more euphoria and more of a rush.