RC’s that mimick other drugs

[William_Again]

I am new to RC's so if this is stupid I apologize. While it is my
understanding that most of the popular RC's are similar or mimick
(thats prolly not the best word) other drugs (mescaline, lsd, xtc,
etc...) why haven't there been any made that are not trippy, but
instead have more opiate like effects, or stimulant based effects
without the trippy side. Or are their RC's that do this.
Edited by: William_Again

[nanobrain]

^such drugs - narcotics and stimulants - are being developed, trialled and marketed continually, mostly by big pharma.

alas, they are not branded with the moniker "RC" but are known instead as "promising candidates in the product development pipeline"Edited by: nanobrain

[moeBius]

the term research chemical was invented by erowid to desribe all the
new drugs on the market that were never tested in clinical studies.

almost all of it were invented by shulgin and described in pihkal and tihkal.

as already stated, every of the modern opioides and stimulants are
invented by pharma companies and branded as medicaments. one of the
newest stimulants is modafinil for example.

[William_Again]

Then how come we don't see different types of rc's? I mean why couldn't
I or someone create a chemical that is not an opiate and not illegal,
but mimick its effects and then sell it along with other common rc's. I
thank you two for your comments but it really doesn' answer my
question, again most rc's are trippy, why aren't there any that are
developed or created that do other things?

[koston]

Good point. There are hardly any RC's who are close to MDMA or SPEED or other simulants for instance..

[Pinkavvy]

Originally Posted by koston

Good point. There are hardly any RC's who are close to MDMA or SPEED or other simulants for instance..

yes there are. there are plenty of stimulants and euphoric amphetimine rc's.

lol does anybody else remember when mdma and mda were the popular rc's? before they were scheduled. pma was too just a couple years ago.

[nanobrain]

i remember when MDMA wasn't scheduled in the US...

[gn2osis]

Originally Posted by William_Again

I am new to RC's so if this is stupid I apologize. While it is my
understanding that most of the popular RC's are similar or mimick
(thats prolly not the best word) other drugs (mescaline, lsd, xtc,
etc...) why haven't there been any made that are not trippy, but
instead have more opiate like effects, or stimulant based effects
without the trippy side. Or are their RC's that do this.

That's a very good question, not stupid at all.



4-Fluoroamphetamine is one that was around for awhile, and reportedly
(Erowid) was a gentle amphetamine type thing. Periodically,
someone will come up with a designer stimulant (4-methylaminorex aka
U4EUh; methcathinone), but for some reason these are quickly scheduled.



However, I think the premise of your question is generally correct, and
that nano's answer is on the money. There are already
plenty of stimulants and opiates around that are available by
prescription (Schedule 2 and less). The demand exists, but the
supply is being met pretty well by the big pharmaceutical companies,
and docs willing to write for Adderall and Oxycontin, and patients
selling their pills, etc. There's no question that a similar
grey/black market for LSD would quickly emerge if it were put in a
lower schedule and could be manufactered legimitately. Likewise,
if amphetamines were made totally illegal, there would be more impetus
for chemists to look for maybe-not-quite-as-illegal RC's that could
fill the gap.



It would be pretty interesting if someone came up with an effective,
enjoyable RC that was an analog of a Schedule III substance, since the
Analog Act wouldn't apply to it. Seems like there would be ample
demand for a ketamine analog, for example. It's probably not that
easy to make one that's effective, or someone would have done it
already.

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Edited by: gn2osis

[RoboCop]

Yes, it would be great if there where RC's that mimick cannabinoids.

[Nagognog2]

As an aside regarding potential narcotics, these are tested using the - ready? - WMHPJT. Or the White Mouse Hot-Plate Jump Test. A white mouse is given a dose of the potential painkiller and then dropped onto a hotplate. The mouse's reaction time to getting off the hotplate is then noted and the efficacy of the potential narcotic gauged. The longer the mouse sizzles - the better the drug!


Squeek!Edited by: nagognog2

[mariecurie]

MK-801 is an RC that apparently is very similar to ketamine in effects. Erowid only has one trip report, however.

[gn2osis]

Originally Posted by RoboCop

Yes, it would be great if there where RC's that mimick cannabinoids.

It seems in principle that there ought to be something like that.
THC doesn't look very similar to anandamide, the endogenous ligand, at
all. Playing around with anandamide's structure, a la Shulgin's
tweaking serotonin and dopamine analogs, could prove quite interesting
(and, for now, quite legal).



I'm just waiting for a law to be passed that says it's illegal to use
any substance to alter your consciousness in any way whatsoever, unless
it's been patented by a big pharmaceutical company.

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Edited by: gn2osis

[nanobrain]

^nah, they wont do it, too much money at stake. by sponsoring / controlling selective distribution channels for illicits the govts. get huge revenue, which would dwarf any revenues they could earn from legalised taxation...

alteration of consciousness would also be fairly hard to define in legal terms.

[gn2osis]

^ Completely agree, Nano. Where's that "bemused sarcasm" emoticon
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[korky8097]

some day the truth will be revealed, and that day is when america will
fall. People will be so apauled at the shit the gov. is doing
havok(sp) will fill the streets. People will realize, "holy shit
i was giving almost half my earnings to this scum". Nano if you
have any articles on that topic i am very interested. There any
good books on it too?

[nanobrain]

John Marks' "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate - The CIA and Mind Control" is a good start.

selective Central / South American cocaine nation sponsorship in the 1980's. just look at post-Taliban Afghani heroin production...

[gn2osis]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

^nah, they wont do it, too much money at stake. by
sponsoring / controlling selective distribution channels for illicits
the govts. get huge revenue, which would dwarf any revenues they could
earn from legalised taxation...



alteration of consciousness would also be fairly hard to define in legal terms.

Actually California has already done it
(link),
though I don't think that the relevant part of the statute (#2 below)
has been tested in court:

Except as provided in subdivision (c), the term "controlled substance analog" means either of the following:

1. A
   substance the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to
   the chemical structure of a controlled substance classified in Section
   11054 or 11055.
2. a substance which has, is represented as having, or is
   intended to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on
   the central nervous system that is substantially similar to, or greater
   than, the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the
   central nervous system of a controlled substance classified in Section
   11054 or 11055.

There you have it. Thou shalt not trip.

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[nanobrain]

i was just listening to a Shulgin interview, interestingly enough, he said the word "antidepressant" is not on the restricted, or the above list...

though shall not, um, feel sad?

[nanobrain]

this is an interesting bit from that:

from Section 11401 - Controlled substance analog defined; punishment:

"The term "controlled substance analog" does not mean any of the following:

P.3: Any substance, before an exemption as specified in paragraph (2) takes effect with respect to the substance, to the extent the substance is not intended for human consumption."

does that still apply?

[gn2osis]

^ Well, we know how far the "consumption" disclaimer got Mike Burton of ACS, or Mark Niemoller of JLF ....



Erowid suggests that Salvia might actually be construed as illegal in
California based on that statute. I don't think anyone has ever
been charged for Sally in Cali. In theory they could try, but I
think they're too busy worrying about other noxious weeds.

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[hogg]

Which they aren't worrying about to hard about... as many people have perscriptions for weed these days in good olcali. Its the methamphetamine they are hunting with a vengence though.

[deadmoap]

I have a prescription for modafinil (brand name Provigil). I was the
easiest prescription I ever got... the doctor prescribed it right over
the phone in about 10 minutes. I don't see any abuse potential, though.
Even with the 200 mg, you don't really feel anything and it's not all
too helpful for staying up all night, either. It makes you feel alert,
yet allows you to sleep, unlike caffeine.

[nanobrain]

^modafinil / adrafinil have zero recreational potential. they do make your urine smell weird though.