Effects - do all benzos have similar amnestic properties?

[Stimulants]

Given the same equivalent dose, do they all possess similar degree of amnestic properties, for example, according to equivalency data, 0.5mg of clonazepam is equivalent to 1mg of flunitrazepam.

Would 1mg of clonazepam have the same degree of amnestic effect as 2mg of flunitrazepam?

[pinksox]

No, they're not equivalent. Rohypnol(fluinitrazepam) produces an anterograde amnestic effects with small doses. While most benzos will produce anterograde amnesia at some point/dosage--certain ones, like Versed/midazolam are better at it than others.

Most people outside the medical profession aren't interested much in producing anterograde anmesia...so SWIM must ask where this question comes from?

[Stimulants]

SWIM is trying to get a better understanding of regulations affecting different benzos differently, i.e. triazolam in UK and flunitrazepam in US.

[tyranny4u]

Would 1mg of Rivotril have the same degree of amnestic effect as 2mg of Rohypnol?

Not at all. Flunitrazepam is a strong hypnotic
while Clonazepam mainly is anti-spasmic / anti-epileptic. It is mainly the
hypnotic and the strong anxiolytic benzos that cause amnesia.

[Stimulants]

Originally Posted by tyranny4u

Not at all. Flunitrazepam is a strong hypnotic
while Clonazepam mainly is anti-spasmic / anti-epileptic. It is mainly the
hypnotic and the strong anxiolytic benzos that cause amnesia.

What's considered the strong anxiolytic BZDs? Alprazolam too is supposed to be 0.5mg = 10mg diazepam, yet SWIM feels that 2mg flunitrazepam can be felt stronger than 1mg alprazolam

[TheNewLeft]

no matter how much clonazopam or alprazolam SWIM eats he can remember everything. but lorazopam and diazepam leave SWIM with giant memory gaps. like real, black out type shit where i jumble up my time lines and can't remember when certain events happened

[tyranny4u]

the tyrant posted this link already in another, older thread. but he re-
commends to take 20 minutes or half an hour to read the very interesting
article on this website:

http://www.etfrc.com/benzos1.htm

this page will give the reader a crash-course in chemistry and further ex-
plains how a certain benzo would change it's specific range of therapeutic
use when changing the molecule at certain positions with certain atomes
or atome groups. the reason for stronger amnesia causing benzos is
partially explained, but in tt's opinion gives enough info for beginners
(well, this site covers the "classic benzos" and some triazolo BDs, so can't
give a complete overview of changes in effects after modifying the
molecule a bit here and there)

tt thinks that site is even very understandable to those who don't know
anything about chemistry / pharmacology. (or those who think they don't)
tt just can say: read or bookmark this site, it will explain a lot to you if you
are interested in the basics of the way benzos work!

[Jatelka]

Rather than posting links to other sites (which may go dead with time) it is useful to have the information here

I have uploaded the etfrc document to the archive here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=129&id=6844

[its just a ride]

clonzapam and alalprazolam always leave swim trying to remember what happened most times he wont remember past a certain point swim would say yes but is not a frquent or regular user of benzo's but has had some expirence with them mostly recreational tho

[Mikeymc]

Swim has never had any memory loss with lorazepam, or clonazepam and has taken them both at one time or another for years and at different varying dosages....however swim has found that temezapam does have a much more amnestic property to it, this is mostly due to it being more of a hypnotic than that of other benzo's

[Lehendakari]

In SWIM's experience, they all have similar amnestic properties, being clonazepam particularly strong, but not as strong as say zolpidem. When SWIM takes benzos, he always have some memory gaps, but usually he can recall them if told about them. If swim takes a few drinks memory just gets erased and he's got gaps several hours long and let me tell you, it's pretty scary not to remember what you have done in 6 hours.....