Health - should swim wait till he is 25

[shanesmith7]

swim loves heroin culture, and while he gave up opiates a few months ago paradoxically his life gotten much worse after he abandoned painkillers and feels enthused to try again, hoping better results. swim has tried most psychedelics and a few benzos. the only opioids swim has ever enjoyed are opium (poppy tea) and kratom. swim has tried codeine, oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone, tramadol, and a few other things. but these were all taken in a time of pain.

swim knows iv heroin use can cause alzheimers like effects on younger users, so swim has always pledged to wait till 25 to mainline. swim wants to feel good and is supposed to be trying e soon, but after that he's going to want something with more stability. should swim wait till 25 to try h? and is the wait worth it?

[Ilsa]

my cat's unsure of the heroin-alzheimers link...but if swiy plans on mainlining eventually swiy can also plan on a strong likelihood of getting strung out (addicted). the harm inflicted on mind and body will be much greater and come much sooner than alzheimers. circulatory problems, edema, infection of the lining and valves of the heart....the list goes on and on. it doesn't matter when swiy does this (mainlining), with what they've described as far as an opiate affinity. swiy won't know exactly how painful and filled with loss this path with be until it's too late.

to get back to the OP, waitiing til one is 25 means little. when one becomes addicted the immediate health risks far outweigh the concern of a tenuous link bettween heroin use and alzheimer's down the road.

[ISmokeCigarettes]

25 is hardly old if SWIY is scared of addling his brain. SWIM agrees with the above post. SWIM posted loads of posts on here about using gear and not getting addicted....and the reason SWIM hasn't used this account in so long is because SWIM discovered the needle and SWIM's now a recovering junkie. Be careful.

[Junkhead23]

Heroin does not cause alzheimers like effects. Whoever told you that was scaremongering. However OD from heroin can cause brain damage and also obviously if done by oneself can cause death. Heroin itself is not neuro toxic however the things that are used to cut heroin may not be so kind to the brain and other organs.

SWIM doesn't really understand why SWIY could not just snort or smoke heroin. IV'ing really isn't something that SWIY want to start doing really. When your crying because you can't find a vein you start to realise that injecting heroin ain't such a good thing.

SWIM guesses if SWIY are adamant that SWIY are going to do this there is little SWIM can say or do to stop SWIY. Just be careful if SWIY choose this path. Addiction is an ugly ugly way of life that takes drastic action to come back from.

[duhduhduhda]

waiting till your 25 will have no effect on the consequences they come quick no matter what the age is
i suppose you will do what you want no matter what i say or other posters say but at least be as safe as possible and make sure that you feel what your about to get into is worth all the pain and suffering you will feel later
because god knows those w/d's come quick
also read the injection guide on here because if you don't know what your doing you could seriously fuck your arm up ...bad
good luck man

duhduhduhda added 2 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...

waiting till your 25 will have no effect on the consequences they come quick no matter what the age is
i suppose you will do what you want no matter what i say or other posters say but at least be as safe as possible and make sure that you feel what your about to get into is worth all the pain and suffering you will feel later
because god knows those w/d's come quick
also read the injection guide on here because if you don't know what your doing you could seriously fuck your arm up ...bad
good luck man

also that thing about alzheimers is BS and whoever told you that was lying and probably trying to scare you

[shanesmith7]

google heroin + brain damage

swim doesn't know how legit the research is tho

swim read this a while ago

[ConcertaXL]

if youre going to IV heroin, thats pretty much the most hardcore drug use possible and it doesnt matter if you wait until age 25, the effects are potentially enormous and addiction could strike on the first go. if you want to try H would you consider snorting/smoking first, as this is not only less addictive (but by no means NON-addictive) but you avoid blood borne diseases and gangrene... ever seen "requiem for a dream"? and if you have pain problems just take a reasonable dose of oxycontin/morphine, they are as effective as H for pain control even if less euphoric. If they dont work and your pain is severe try asking your doctor for Dilaudid 8mg, Opana ER or Fentanyl patches/lollipops... these are the strongest painkillers available.

[Hapworth]

SWIM agrees with duhduh that there is no magic (or safe) age to start mainlining H. True, one would be more concerned with, say, a fourteen-year-old mainlining instead of a twenty-five-yea-old, but this would have more to do with a person's decision-making skills. In general, SWIY should be old enough to know that you shouldn't be doing heroin. Such self-reflection shows that SWIY is aware of all that is involved. And SWIY does seem thoughtful and self-reflective, and that's good. Now it is time for SWIY to get more informed (like others, I don't know where that alzheimers idea came from) and if you do try H, be very, very careful.

[mickey_bee]

Aye, waiting until this magical age of 25 means f**k all. It doesn't matter when you start doing heroin, it can do you over when you're 15 and it can do you over when you're 50.

Mainlining is about the worst way you can go about doing the worst drug.

All this 'heroin culture' stuff is only interesting/glamorous/romantic when you're not on it. When you start hanging around with proper junkies and becoming one yourself, you quickly wish you had never been so stupid, and it really isn't romantic then....
Smoking and snorting heroin is bad enough, and can still, (and normally does), f**k up your life to a completely unmanageable degree.

Please take heed of the fact that almost everyone you encounter with any real experience of heroin use is, or was a junkie themselves. This is not by chance.
If you're interested in heroin culture, then read some burroughs, watch trainspotting, and leave it at that. Because real-life junkiedom ain't nothing like reading a book or watching a film.
It's shit. (So don't be a nonce!)

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good point re: 25 being some sort of "magic" number

[Ilsa]

Originally Posted by mickey_bee

Aye, waiting until this magical age of 25 means f**k all. It doesn't matter when you start doing heroin, it can do you over when you're 15 and it can do you over when you're 50.

Mainlining is about the worst way you can go about doing the worst drug.

All this 'heroin culture' stuff is only interesting/glamorous/romantic when you're not on it. When you start hanging around with proper junkies and becoming one yourself, you quickly wish you had never been so stupid, and it really isn't romantic then....
Smoking and snorting heroin is bad enough, and can still, (and normally does), f**k up your life to a completely unmanageable degree.

Please take heed of the fact that almost everyone you encounter with any real experience of heroin use is, or was a junkie themselves. This is not by chance.
If you're interested in heroin culture, then read some burroughs, watch trainspotting, and leave it at that. Because real-life junkiedom ain't nothing like reading a book or watching a film.
It's shit. (So don't be a nonce!)

swi-mb nails the issue here. drug use has been glamorized in the media--the more taboo the practice, the more allure it has. every person that's replied on this thread has flatly discounted this false allure. you see skinny, pale, "chic" type kids supposedly strung out on tv and in movies. the reality is destitution, being horribly sick when the money runs out, doing things you never thought you'd do to avoid withdrawing, health issues galore and so on and on.

you are in love with a lie

if finding that out isn't disappointing enough, the aftermath of a heroin addiction will be. please consider this decision carefully. if this is the path you want, please read up on harm reduction and how to shoot. as swi-junkhead said, it's a bit late when your sick and crying and got a bloody arm trying to get a vein that's not there anymore to take up safer practices.

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Its the truth.

[ISmokeCigarettes]

Originally Posted by mickey_bee

All this 'heroin culture' stuff is only interesting/glamorous/romantic when you're not on it.

...Intelligent words. So true.