Opinions - Disapointing first time Oxy experience

[ScottTenorman]

SWIM picked up some 80 mg Oxycontins. They had a blue/green coating and white interior, with "80" engraved on one side, and "CDN" on the other.

SWIM had never done any sort of opiates before (even though he's done his fair share of cocaine, ecstasy, benzos, and tons of weed), so he was very excited to try Oxy. After lurking around the forums, SWIM decided that a 20 mg dose would be a good for a first time user.

He crushed a quarter of the pill, got rid of the green coating, and snorted it in one line. It burnt. A couple of minutes later, SWIM started feeling a bit more comfortable and got lazier. However, the effects never really got more intense than mild sedation.

After an hour, he decided to take some more because he really wasn't satisfied with his "high", so he snorted a bit more than a quarter of a pill (around 30 mg). The sedation continued, but that's all it was.

He was very disappointed since he took 50 mg and merely felt "body high"; Nothing more than mild euphoria and mellowness, no itching, no dope-sickness... very underwhelming. It was his first time doing opiates!

To get to the point: Is it possible for someone with no tolerance to opiates to not "feel much" on 50 mg of Oxy?
I've been reading about fake Oxys in Toronto, which is where SWIM got his. How likely is it that these pills were fake? (SWIM is inclined to believe they were). To make matters worse, his dealer (who is a "credible dealer", and has been selling him great coke for years) claimed he had an unlimited source of Oxy, which is sort of suspicious.

Thanks.

[returntozero]

swiy could try chewing and swallowing it next time and see what happens

[OsCarwild]

CDN 80 is the Canadian version of Oxycontin. If SWIY has never done opiates before and failed to get high after snorting 50mg, there is a good chance that you got scammed. Most people who have no opiate experience would have definitely felt the effects of 50mg of snorted Oxycontin. SWIM would advise SWIY to find a different source, because it was more than likely fake.

[ScottTenorman]

After waking up and being sober again, SWIM realized that the pills he had purchased had obviously been fake.
Since he had nothing better to do that night, he decided to take a bunch of them because of the blandness of his last experience. He knew they didn't really do much, so why the hell not?
He took a total of 180 mg over the course of 6 hours, along with .70 g of cocaine, a bunch of weed in a volcano, and five beers. The first 120 mg were crushed up and put in a drink, and the remaining 60 mg were railed.

SWIM felt euphoric, comfortable, and sedated, and was nodding off all night even though he was blowing lines. However, the most noticeable effect was the complete lack of a short term memory. SWIM asked the people around him the same questions several times, and had no idea how he'd ended up where he was (even forgot where he was for a while). SWIM could not remember any conversations or events, and had no idea what he'd done by the end of the night.
This is unusual for SWIM, who rarely "blacks out".

So SWIM was wondering: does anyone know what was actually in his pills? Could it have been a weaker opiate (codeine, tramadol, etc)? Or was it something completely different?

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Originally Posted by ScottTenorman

After waking up and being sober again, SWIM realized that the pills he had purchased had obviously been fake.
Since he had nothing better to do that night, he decided to take a bunch of them because of the blandness of his last experience. He knew they didn't really do much, so why the hell not?
He took a total of 180 mg over the course of 6 hours, along with .70 g of cocaine, a bunch of weed in a volcano, and five beers. The first 120 mg were crushed up and put in a drink, and the remaining 60 mg were railed.

SWIM felt euphoric, comfortable, and sedated, and was nodding off all night even though he was blowing lines. However, the most noticeable effect was the complete lack of a short term memory. SWIM asked the people around him the same questions several times, and had no idea how he'd ended up where he was (even forgot where he was for a while). SWIM could not remember any conversations or events, and had no idea what he'd done by the end of the night.
This is unusual for SWIM, who rarely "blacks out".

So SWIM was wondering: does anyone know what was actually in his pills? Could it have been a weaker opiate (codeine, tramadol, etc)? Or was it something completely different?

Umm......"euphoric, comfortable, sedated and nodding off all night despite blowing lines (of cocaine)"............sounds pretty much like oxy to SWIM.

[miken]

No offence but it sounds stupid to Swim that you decided to take a large dose of tablets that you thought were fake and thus could have any chemical in them. You then proceeded to mix it with several other drugs, not knowing what the original drug is, you could easily have ended up in big shit. Swim thinks that is this is a typical example of your behavior then sooner or later your going to end up in big trouble.

[ScottTenorman]

Originally Posted by miken

No offence but it sounds stupid to Swim that you decided to take a large dose of tablets that you thought were fake and thus could have any chemical in them. You then proceeded to mix it with several other drugs, not knowing what the original drug is, you could easily have ended up in big shit. Swim thinks that is this is a typical example of your behavior then sooner or later your going to end up in big trouble.

I agree, which is why I personally didn't do it, SWIM did (seriously). I realize that what SWIM did was stupid, but I'm very curious to know what was in his pills.

[LinusMundane]

and, if they were fakes, why are SWIY getting any feeling from them at all? Din't I read somehwere here that 6% of white males lack an enzyme needed to feel anything from oxy?

[ganjahero420]

i belive thats 10 percent of the white population cant really metabolize codine into morphine due to their liver lackign the enzyme necesary. never heard about people not having an enzyme for oxycodone.

[thisguy9000]

While the 6 % stat might be true, it seems that those with that condition would be aware of this no? SWIM has been given various opiate based painkillers even as a teenager for broken bones, wisdom teeth, etc... wouldn't most people know they couldn't metabolize oxycodone?

If SWIY has never used Oxycodone before and insufflates 50mgs, SIWY would DEFINITELY feel that. SWIN is an experienced oxycodone user who at one point was taking opiates daily, and even then a line of a 30mg Roxicodone would hit him nicely. Surely a first time user would feel something from 50mg.

These pills were clearly fakes.

PS. I can't help but agree with Miken and say if you had a feeling the pills were fake you should NEVER have taken more. I've read many articles, seen a few documentaries about what matierials go into fake pills. Not only would the stuff not get SWIY high, but it can be poisionous (i.e. lead-based road line paint (for yellow coloring), glass, dishwasher soap, etc...))

[10001110101]

yeah musta been fake.

50mg insufflated with no tolerance would have sent swiy running for the toilet (to puke)

and for a first time i would start with 5-10mg doses to see how sick you get, opiates can make you feel "overly medicated" the first few times you use them, you dont really start appreciating them after you try them a few times imo.

[trichopium]

Swim lives in the same area, it is currently flooded with fakes, buy from someone you can trust.

[hamsterdam]

oxycodone does not need to be metabolized. it, by itself is an ACTIVE drug

codeine is a pro drug, by itself it DOES NOTHING until de-methylated into morphine via CYP2D6

so, the point is, oxycodone works for everyone, unless they have defective opioid receptors.

[xxdan123xx]

swiy may have felt it and not realized. Swim feels that repeating that same dose would result in more pronounced effects. Happened to swim the first time he tried oxy. Sniffed 2 OC 20's and not much happened. Or they were fake.

[LinusMundane]

The part that boggles me still is SWIOP said he felt mild sedation, if they were fakes, why would he have felt anything at all and something so close to what an oxy high actually feels like at least for SWIM...

[ScottTenorman]

Originally Posted by LinusMundane

The part that boggles me still is SWIOP said he felt mild sedation, if they were fakes, why would he have felt anything at all and something so close to what an oxy high actually feels like at least for SWIM...

SWIM is certain they were fakes; a first time dose of 50 mg should have done WAY more to him than it did.

After doing some research, SWIM has realized that there are some cases of fake Oxys that contain benzos, which would explain the effects felt (and mainly the short-term memory impairment).

SWIM has read about a seizure of 5000+ fake Oxys in Toronto (originated from India according to this report), and they were mostly made up of Lorazepam.
Weird... but it makes the most sense.

[psychedelaholic]

SWIM tried of oxycodone (oxycontin) for the first time recently. Sounded like it looked identical to the pill SWIY got but SWIM's was definetely not fake. He started with 10mg which he said was really nice but when it wore off he felt pretty crappy. SWIM has never had a comedown from opiates. 20mg had him nodding hard. It was really expensive though.

[DJBast]

Has anyone actually seen a passable fake oxy? Purdue name brand that is. I understand someone whose never had experience with them could be fooled, but I seriously doubt I could be tricked with one. Just wondering how accurate the fakes are.

Shame on anyone making/passing fakes, what a horrible horrible thing to do.

take care all,

d

[Content]

these are without a doubt fake, for a first timer anywhere from 10-25mg should be FINE wether taken orally or blown

[gmeziscool2354]

It sound very much like scot hit the nail on the head when he said they were counterfeit from India which were mostly lorazepam. Swim reads the us DEA micro bulletins. fake prescriptions are fairly common, if the dea is to be believed, they pick up massive amounts of fake or illegally manufactured scripts. It isn't at all suprising that it happens in Canada.

[swellin]

I wasnt going to say they were fake at first untill you said you took 160mg that much oxy would cause an od in a rookie for sure. But before you said that, the first time i tried morphine i took 50 mg of MSIR instant morphine, and i felt nothing, in fact i felt nothing the first few times i tried morphine. Now though ive been on morphine for over a year and even 30mg i get a pretty euphoric feeling mind you all these pills were prescribed so i know for a fact they werent fakes. So i think in some people it can take a while before you feel the euphoria. But your case is different you for sure had fakes becaus you should be dead.

[oxyhydro]

There can be a couple of things wrong here. First off, if you are new to snorting things, it is possible you did not get the powder deep enough. Secondly, you can definitely have a natural tolerance. Opiates are hard to provide dosing information on for this reason, people have varying natural tolerances. My suggestion would be to try taking 30mg orally or rectally is better if you can man up and take it in the you know what!

[astfgl]

the effects described above sound priity much like some kind of benzo to swim...

[gmeziscool2354]

yeah, those were totally fake, they showed up in the states too. there have been a lot of batches lately of fake oxycontins, just look on the dea microgram bulletin