Other - Blotter Capacity

[TheBadMan]

Blotter Capacity

Pretty much every discussion I have seen on blotter capacity gets closed immediately (including my last attempt and a since a criticism I received was to try starting a new thread, I am).

In searching, I found about 60 posts in all the forums with the word blotter in the title. I can find a bunch of numbers (ranging from 1 - 5 mg per square cm) and many people saying that you can't fit this or that on blotter but I have never seen anything convincing.

I have tried searching for industry standards regarding blotting paper, but they often have applications with inks or oils, so I can't be sure how their absorbency translates for impregnating solids (and sometimes don't know what the numbers mean).

Does anyone know of any convincing information regarding how much of a given solid can be impregnated into blotting paper?

Reputation Comments on this post:

about time somebody made a thread of this matter

[Raz]

With so many factors SWIM believes it's very hard to determine exact figures.

Originally Posted by nanobrain

anyone who's ever laid sheets will tell you, such factors as blotter size, paper density, paper composition, type of ink used for print, the viscosity and composition of LSD carrier solvent among other factors all affect the saturation point of the paper.

specific case in point, the Lips are on cardboardish blotter, which happily absorbs up to 3 additional drops of ethanolic 130 mike/drop liquid w/5 minute drying intervals before reapplication - without signs of saturation. of course, the extra minty resultant paper known as Liquid Lips - well over 500 mikes per hit - was not released into general circulation.

[TheBadMan]

As SWIM suspected.
It's too bad.
Many people say "you can't fit that on blotter" but obviously have no idea when push comes to shove. Claims made in ignorance.

I suggest to mods and admins instead of this kind of reply (which seems to imply that there is a good, useful answer somewhere on this site):

"What other substances can fit on a blotter?" has been covered before.

Please UTFSE

That the standard reply should be:
"If you had UTFSE you would have found that this issue has been covered and that nobody knows the answer."

Or maybe I just don't understand how to use search engines after 15 years online.

[cosmicruler]

...or maybe people arent so willing to help,because you are obviously intending to blott RCs that needn't be blotted and likely will be passing them off as something they are NOT to uneducated people for economic gain!!!!
this isnt just immoral its plain focking dangerous...

peace.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Don't accuse a fellow member without any proof. Blotter capacity is a very interesting but vague topic in terms of relia...
	negative and unfounded accusations of selling miss labeled drugs against a forum member; bordering on flaming

[twoiko]

Originally Posted by cosmicruler

...or maybe people arent so willing to help,because you are obviously intending to blott RCs that needn't be blotted and likely will be passing them off as something they are NOT to uneducated people for economic gain!!!!
this isnt just immoral its plain focking dangerous...

Wow, yeah, no.

That's like saying people who sell RCs in liquid form are going to call it liquid acid or something just for economical gain. I know SWIM does liquid but SWIM still does not sell it as anything other than what it is. Also blotter would be MUCH easier to distribute than liquid or measuring out the powder so this is extremely useful information, which SWIM has also been looking for.

[cosmicruler]

no its not like saying that.
people usually add to liquid(h2o,ethanol) to make accurate dosing easier,NOT FOR ECONOMIC GAIN!!!!


peace.

ps.people who sell things like DOB,DOI,Bromo-Dragonfly are irresponsible and give all users of RCs a bad name,as its very likely some1 down the chain is going to mis-represent the blotter as something its not(ie,LSD-25,when its not)...this is swims experience and he stands by his opinion 100%.

cosmicruler added 4 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

"easier to distribute"....

so your intent is to distribute...and swiy seriously doesnt believe people would ON-sell these as LSD or something thats usually better/more sort after,and would aslo usually have more monetry value...???

[drug-bot]

From: Nathan.Bowen
Subject: Desirable Blotter Adulterants

> Nathan.Bowen writes:

> A few acquaintances of mine have been known to say things
>about how their last hit of acid had "too much strychnine," or to
>say that one shouldn't let acid sit around too long because "it
>decomposes into rat poison." It wasn't too difficult to dispell
>those rumors, at least among the reasonable folk. However, a few
>other myths about adulterants haven't died out.
>
>Another says he can get it laced with heroin. A few people believe
>they have taken blotter laced with PCP. In general, this all
>sounds _very_ unlikely to me, but my stand is based on intuition
>and a sense that there's just not enough capacity on a square of
>blotter for significant "lacing" with anything other than LSD.
>
> Does anyone have any references to respectable studies done
>on this subject? I don't need strychnine information, it's the
>"desirable" adulterants that I'm discussing. Some people _want_
>their acid "laced with speed", or heroin, or PCP. I don't doubt
>that there are several different strengths of blotter going around
>this area. I would even believe that there are batches in
>circulation that are composed, in some amount, of other LSD-related
>compounds. But I find it hard to be genuinely worried about
>finding blotter that's been dusted with PCP.
>
> Any and all information you can provide would be appreciated.


A reference: "The Physician's Guide to Psychoactive Drugs" by David E. Smith
and Richard Seymour. I had it out from the library here recently and can
provide ISBN or publisher if necessary. David Smith is the editor (and
founder) of The Journal of Psychoactive [previously Psychedelic] Drugs, and is
also the founder of the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, and pioneer of the talk-
down method of treatment for LSD panic attacks, and is not likely to be
propagating scare stories and urban legends (However, there are a number of
minor mistakes in the book that really shouldn't be made by someone who knows
what they are talking about, for example, "ketamine" is listed among the other
names for PCP, without the fairly important clarification that this is a
different chemical, albeit with similar effects.)

Anyway, they say DOB, 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine, is potent enought to
be used in blotter form, and has been found in blotter form. The blotters
are described as "golden tiles"- a yellow and white checkerboard design, and
"golden eagles"- a yellow bird on green background, something like that.
I don't recall the area where these were found (or if that was in the book),
the book was published sometime in the early eighties. By the way, I
can remember all this off the top of my head because I had read on this
group that only LSD is active enough to be put on a blotter, so by buying
blotter LSD you didn't have to worry much about substitutes or adulterants,
and so I was very interested when I read about blotter DOB.

However, the effective, typical dose that Seymour and Smith quote is 1-5 mg.
5 mg sounds high for a blotter, would 1 mg be plausible? I think 1-5 mg also
agrees with what I've read elsewhere.

It seems to me that someone selling blotter DOB might pass it off as LSD,
simply because LSD is known and accepted. I believe the duration, and
probably other aspects of the trip too are different from LSD, but the effect
is LSD-like in a general sense, or so I read. I would imagine that an
inexperienced LSD user could take DOB and not know the difference. Maybe
DOB is fairly desirable on its own anyway. However, there is a very
undesirable side effect, vascular spasms, I forget the details, but it's
very bad. I can't remember if this is the result of normal doses or
very high doses. Something about one case involving a death ( I think,
but I'll look the book up and get the details as they give them) , another
involving amputation of legs. I have read elsewhere that if the problem
had been correctly treated at first the amputations would have unecessary.
One of them was aware it was DOB, the other thought it was LSD.
I would imagine that people aware of the potential for vascular spasms would
probably not knowingly take DOB.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info1.shtml
after looking around for an answer this is the best swim could find, though its not technecial in measures to find exact blotter capacity. erowid is however a generally reliable site, and 1-5mg sounds reasonable as a dose of DOB is between 1-3mgs and DOB can come in blotter form that is sometimes sold as lsd (which is unethical and potentially dangerous to do).

[twoiko]

Originally Posted by cosmicruler

no its not like saying that.
ps.people who sell things like DOB,DOI,Bromo-Dragonfly are irresponsible and give all users of RCs a bad name,as its very likely some1 down the chain is going to mis-represent the blotter as something its not(ie,LSD-25,when its not)...this is swims experience and he stands by his opinion 100%.

cosmicruler added 4 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

"easier to distribute"....

so your intent is to distribute...and swiy seriously doesnt believe people would ON-sell these as LSD or something thats usually better/more sort after,and would aslo usually have more monetry value...???

Well, all I'm trying to say is you have absolutely no reason to believe they would sell it as something else except that people HAVE done it before. People always will and choosing to not help them find out how to use blotter won't stop them. Sorry.

By easier to distribute I mean just that, measuring out doses for every single hit is a lot harder than just cutting off a piece of blotter paper.

[TheBadMan]

Originally Posted by cosmicruler

..this is swims experience and he stands by his opinion 100%.

If this also means that you stand by your apparent belief that I intend to sell blotters laced with RCs as "acid" then I assure you that you are wrong and think that it is sickeningly ignorant to assume that this was my motive. If I were going to lace blotter with RCs then I would probably invest in a scale and find out for myself. Anyway, the question is legitimate and I have never seen a satisfactory answer (just lots of numbers with nothing behind them better than "I heard").

TheBadMan added 4 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

Referring to what you (someone else) quoted about PCP being found on blotter:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_history1.shtml

You can find an instance of blotter with PCP and LSD, for what that's worth. One blotter with STP. The largest dose of LSD found on the blotters that were quantified was 174 micrograms, which merely suggests that whoever laid the blotter was being reasonable in titrating the dose. Even if you could fit 5 mg of LSD on a blotter, it isn't worth it. Most blotter was LSD. The data are from the 1970s.

[phillylocal]

"Delliou (1) found individual squares to contain 1.4-4.6 mg"

This from a paper about DOB being on blotters.

source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dob/dob_journal1.shtml

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good data. Finaly some numbers.

[Waste]

SWIM wasn't aware you could fit 3-4mg on a blotter, is this still a 1cm square people are talking about?

Interesting fact though, SWIM wishes he knew this a while back, as it makes RC's in general much easier (and in SWIM's mind much safer) than having to liquid measure each time heh

Thanks for the info!

[phillylocal]

The source SWIM linked to above did not say; however, my pet flamingo mentioned that it's probably impossible to say considering that there are so many different types of blotter (thickness, individual dose size...etc). Nevertheless, we also think that it may be probable considering that many of the pharmaceutical drugs distributed contain extra fillers and dyes that can significantly affect the actual amount of active ingredient listed. In the example of adderall--the "Blue 10's" (generic version) can contain almost as much compressed as generic 20's--so; it's difficult to judge (in SWIM's opinion) how much 10mgs of powder actually consists of...

Maybe this extra heavy loading is a reason why so many experience "bitter" tastes when ingesting DOB blotters.