Help me pick my first REAL drug

Mushrooms, definitely.



I've already done XTC too, but still, I like the effect of shrooms way better. X is just too much for me, I think.

[billbong]

everyone loves xtc it is fukin brill me n budz on it now. if u want to avoid the o.00001 chance of death buy a test kit for like £20 shrooms n acid will imhp change your life for better or worse. in my opinion lsd n shrooms, like salvia might disagree with you if that is the case just stay AWAY

SHROOMS XTC AND ACID ARE CLASS A DRUGS IN MY EXPERIENCE ALL 3 ARE FAR MORE POWERFULL THAN SPEED. they are my top 4 drugs among meth but be carful DO NOT underestimate them. FOR BEING CAUGHT IN POSSESSION U COULD FACE A LIFE SENTENCE AND A UNLIMITED FINEEdited by: billbong

[ldeezy80]

if your choices are the 3 you listed, go with #1, baby. you'll never regret an x trip, especially when the choiceis over your first lsd/shroom trip. hell you might hate your first lsd/shroom trip.

[ramjet]

I definitely prefer shrooms to E, but you can't go wrong with E. Your
first pill will blow your mind. The sense of all encompassing bliss and
love for everything and everyone is ... well it's just incredible. It
was, and would still be if I had to
take the choice again, my first class A. Then go for the shrooms, but
make sure you get the set and setting right

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Edited by: ramjet

[jaguarangel]

My first was LSD. If I were to deliberately choose, I would start with MDMA.

[Cocopuffs]

Definitely go with X...

[Cuberun]

Ecstasy. I smoked weed, then I tried ecstasy and I was on cloud 9. Just didn't think it was possible to feel that good.

[pcon]

ecstacy! definetly good, so is salvia, i would recomend that too

[leeoswald]

My second drug was acid. At 14 years old I went straight from
weed to 'cid. That was all well and good when I was 14 but now I
wouldn't even think of doing acid. Shit, I fucking NEVER have 12 hours
to stay high and then the recovery time from that shit.... it's just
not worth it dude. No... I say shrooms. They're mellow and after 4 or 5
hours you land safely with no residual side effects, yet while you're
at cruising altitude you have these incredible thoughts that seem at
the time to be real experiences. You get these ideas like "triangles
are so cool and geometry is your friend. You appreciate the shapes of
things and you can hear the matting under your carpet squish when you
walk on it and the clock ticking in a bedroom down the hall. All the
while you are completely in control and like the other poster said...
as long as you keep your dose in the 1.5 to 2 gram range, you'll be
fine. Take 5 grams and you'll forget where your penis is located and
you'll have trouble remembering what kind of work you do for a living.
But for people looking to graduate from weed, shrooms is the way to go.
BTW, it's worth mentioning that I've never ever had a bad shroom trip
or even felt slightly paranoid. Shrooms is in of those drugs that make
you happy to be alive and connected to stuff.



As an aside, you DO realize that your original question about wanting
to graduate from weed to a stronger drug plays right into the "war on
drugs" argument that marijuana is a gateway drug, don't you? I always
hated that argument.... like right, everyone who's used H started out
smoking weed... but it's also mostly true that everyone who has become
hooked on smack has also drunk a beer and fucked a fat chicl at some
point in their lives. So should we get the religious right to ban
fucking fat chicks because it leads to heroin additction? But, in my
Some induced haze I am beginning to ramble, so I'll reiterate my vote:



Eat shrooms.... about 2 grams for your first trip. You will nto regret it.

[BigRed]

don´t get into narcotics unless u want to pay a dear price, crack, meth, h,. the feeling is great i will admit, but it´s a long road of shit. the trade for the high is the addiction, u will always think about it, u may always do it, and it will stay with u one way or another for as long as u live in the front of ur mind or the back.


i had to say that because seriously, i wish someone had said it to swim

[Nicaine]

I tried MDA once, a long time ago... literally 25 years ago. It still stands out in my mind as one of the most enjoyable, unique chemical experiences of my life. Definitely second the Ecstasy recommendations. But if you do it, do it around people you either care about or would want to care about. Otherwise, powder cocaine is not a bad first thing to try... would give you an idea of what all the hype is (or isn't) about.Edited by: Nicaine

[boomer0]

if it were me in that situation i would go with mushrooms. the information about shrooms above is pretty good. i always say why do something made in a lab when there's a perfectly good, safe source from nature so that cancels out acid. E sounds like a goodway to go too, although i wouldn't take that path personally.it seems like shrooms are a natural step in a way, but that's because i've always enjoyed the creative/psychedelic effects of bud and shrooms is a similar idea but totally different and mind-blowing. if you prefer the sedative/relaxing effects that cannabis brings then opiates might be a good way to go. i'd say don't snort shit though, there's no need (sorry to people who enjoy this, that's just how i feel personally). if possible get real opium and smoke or eat it rathar than opiates. that just goes with my whole au natural idea. with any opiates just be careful as others have said.i agree with some people above who have said not to fuck with meth. i'm opposed to most stimulants. not to be prejudice, but it seems like they tend to have greater danger with little to no physical and intellectual pay-off. anywho, i ramble and that's my two cents. i'm glad to hear that you're researching and staying informed.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by boomer0

i'm opposed to most stimulants. not to be prejudice, but it seems like they tend to have greater danger with little to no physical and intellectual pay-off. anywho, i ramble and that's my two cents.

Well if you want my opinion, I don't see physical payoff in anything but exercise -- no drug is going to improve your physical condition. And intellectual payoff with psychedelics, in my humble opinion, is mostly an illusion. Something that tends to impress the younger folks among us, but if you really want to know the secrets of life the thing to do is (A) live it, and (B) meditation/introspection without any drugs. Psychedelics provide the attractive but false notion that there are easy answers to the deeper questions of life. If you want pretty tracers and 'deep' insights that look ridiculous once you come down, I guess psychedelics are the way to go.

Personally speaking, body highs have always seemed safer. Your body can heal itself from most things, but mess up your mind too bad with something and you could really be screwed. Just me tho.Edited by: Nicaine

[sterling77]

Nicaine, you've never retained any insight from psychedelics? You
mean to say that the second after a trip, everything you experienced
and all the insight that you saw just vanished and you blew it off as
"ridiculous".



When SWIM is about to start a trip, he goes in with the attitude that
he is about to gain the ability to see through a different perspective
and therefor learn more about himself. With this attitude he is
able to integrate what he learned into his life afterwards.



And, they aren't "easy answers", you might not control what you see,
but it is up to you to think about it afterwards and apply it to
yourself. But then again, to each his own, no one opinion is
right and everyone is entitled to their own. Just my thoughts
nicaine

[bcStoner420]

ok i dont know how to just quote a part of a message so...



boomer0:"there's no need (sorry to people who enjoy this, that's just how i feel personally). if possible get real opium and smoke or eat it rathar than opiates. that just goes with my whole au natural idea"

dont see how smoking is any more natural than snorting, whats natural about lighting a bowl of weed using a lighter thats uses burning butane. mabey i misunderstood what u were trying to say and u just meant get opium from the source instead of opiates.



also how u say its not nessesary most people would rather snort coke instead of smoke it(excluding crack). and many people i know see snorting as a very clean form of administration. thast all opinion i guess tho. and BTW i am by no means some big snorting fanatic, i dont snort anything, the only thing i could i guess that i do is amph but it doesnt work for me snorted so i take orally. just when u say its pointless snorting that is by no means true.

and as to the topic starter of this thread i would say any of those 3 u have are very good except that u might wanna do the shrooms before the lsd. i have no lsd experience but i have my share of shrooms but havent for a long time. you were talking about amphetamines earlier and i dont know why people turned u off them but i would say thats a pretty good choice too but it wont be as big of a step as it would be if u wentwith xtc, lsd or the shrooms. definatly worth while trying to puts u in a very good mood set, makes u a very productive person too, but dont do meth and even be weary of the powerful addictions amphetamines (or any drug for that matter) can cause.Edited by: bcStoner420

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by sterling100

Nicaine, you've never retained any insight from psychedelics?

None. Or should I say, nothing worth anything.

You mean to say that the second after a trip, everything you experienced and all the insight that you saw just vanished and you blew it off as "ridiculous".

No, but when I pondered it awhile after the trip, I concluded that it was a bunch of pleasant delusion caused by disordered brain chemistry. In contrast, I've gotten some very real insights through meditation & contemplation while drug-free. Takes dedication though, it's not something you can play "sunday christian" with and expect any breakthroughs. For some people, it means major sacrifices and living a minimalist lifestyle so they can devote most of their time and energy to meditation.

Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. BTW I'm not knocking either psychedelics or body highs for purposes of partying/having fun, just saying all this stuff about intellectual or spiritual improvement is a bunch of bullshit in my opinion.

Originally Posted by sterling100

When SWIM is about to start a trip, he goes in with the attitude that he is about to gain the ability to see through a different perspective
and therefor learn more about himself. With this attitude he is able to integrate what he learned into his life afterwards.

So what exactly has SWIM learned? He's going in with an assumption that he'll learn more about himself, but does he know who or what this "himself" is (or whether there even is one, for that matter -- suppose existence was really a repeated attempt to exist, an attempt that invariably fails?).

Psychedelics are the blue pill, man. Except nobody wants to hear it, so I'll keep emphasizing that it's just my opinion.Edited by: Nicaine

[dmason]

Originally Posted by Bytemaster

Amphetamin...

Hi Mate,


I defiantly recommend speed,I personally believe its the less harmful drug (in my case) It doesn'tmess with my head or makes me depressed. (Allthough in most cases you do have a comedown from it and can make you depressed for a few days) Not me though. I had my first speed bomb the other day (you wrap speed in a rizla and swallow it like a tablet) But don't take too much. It makes you confident,energeticmakes you think very clearly and makes you talkative - You'll actually enjoy a conversation. It makes you breathevery deeplyit’s like aconstant adrenaline rush.- In myeyes it’s a lot cheaper then weed asitlasts a hell of alot longer. You can pick up a gram for a tenner, but forgodsake makesure you buy it off someone you trust so you don’t get nothing dodgy. I don’t recommend doing it everyday as you could become addicted to it plus you would never get any sleep, Do it once a week (Thursday/ Friday)is enough - That way you have something to look forward to get you through the week. That's what I do anyway It's a great drug it has done megood, Good luck & be careful you don't get no dodgy shit. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />

[bonghed]

Originally Posted by Scaredoll

Thanks for the reply Muirner, i have researched for hours and im really excited about getting this.

It seems like it does not do anything for you (d-amphetamine) but other stories i have read talk about it like its the 2nd coming of christ.

Different strokes for different folks i guess, guess i will pop 20mg or 40mg and see what happens.

im sure people will agree even in general terms ganja is a lot stronger. if u don't consider ganja as your first real drug u shouldn't adderal, i had a stronger version for adhd ritalin, and i wouldn't consider that much better,


and no amphetamine really isn't to strong even in mega doses, you're thinking of crack or meth. I'd say experiment with the 3 you listed


Also if you want to try a downer, go for diazipam (vallium)Edited by: bonghed

[big-lester]

XTC

[bonghed]

maybe a fun time for you would be strong weed and some valium xanax and or oxy contin and a beer or 2, i choose to have methadone aswell but you really shouldn't touch that, i find it "worse" than crack, meaning i can easily do crack without getting addicted but meth is harder (probably because i prefer downers and opiates and psychedelics

[bonghed]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Well if you want my opinion, I don't see physical payoff in anything but exercise -- no drug is going to improve your physical condition. And intellectual payoff with psychedelics, in my humble opinion, is mostly an illusion. Something that tends to impress the younger folks among us, but if you really want to know the secrets of life the thing to do is (A) live it, and (B) meditation/introspection without any drugs. Psychedelics provide the attractive but false notion that there are easy answers to the deeper questions of life. If you want pretty tracers and 'deep' insights that look ridiculous once you come down, I guess psychedelics are the way to go.

Personally speaking, body highs have always seemed safer. Your body can heal itself from most things, but mess up your mind too bad with something and you could really be screwed. Just me tho.

Most people that gain the most from psychedelics are philosophical and intellectual which leads to insights, for exsample if shulgin took 400ug of lsd. He would probably gain more insight than a 15 year old wanting to get really high. Intentions and knowledge ~(hate the word knowledge) play important roles

[pharmapsyche]

Originally Posted by Scaredoll

I did some research, and i think i have narrowed it down to either...

1. Ecstasy
2. LSD
3. Mushrooms

So what shall it be? Nothing to crazy please, im scared enough as it is as i don't know how i will react to them. I'm aware that everyone is different, and they can do different things to some people, but i am ready to take that risk.

Hello, SWIM would recommened mushroom's for your next experience. SWIM recommend not taking Ecstacy, because SWIM doesn't think you have the right mind sit for it yet, SWIM says you have to know what your looking for. It's an experience, that doesn't "fuck you up", like people like to say. SWIM say's it like your opening a window to new possiblies and new ways to think. Also, SWIM doesn't recommend LSD-25 yet, since quote, "nothing to crazy please, i'm scared enough as it is." SWIM thinks it would be a bad choice to start with since there is always that possiblity of a 'bad trip'. Also with LSD-25, SWIMsays youneed to have a good mind set, and to be not scared.

[dogcow]

I'd say DXM cause its about4-6hrs of tripping and easy to hadleexcept in austrailia you cant really get a good max strength tussinn from what i uderstand, and it sucks to have to down alot of tussin to get high.


My 2nd choice would be LSD. Take 1 tab only (or 1/2 if you are nervous). Just be warned 2 tabs is COMPLETELY different than 1.


Mushrooms are cool and alot "safer" than acid cause the duration is shorter im less afraid to take an ego-crushing dose. However the first time i took them i took 1/4 oz and it was VERY overwhelming. Fun but man I was blasted into a different universe a world of alien languages and creatues. Complete ego death for a few hours.


30mgs 4-Acetoxy-Dipt is kinda like 2 hits of acid except it wears off completely in 4hrs


15mgs of 2C-I is not bad as well easy to handle but not as fun as LSD, or Shrooms


-dc

[Amisten]

Depends on why your doing drugs if you ask SWIM.





Non-Spiritual seeker:Ifyour looking for a almost fail proof good time, great memories,a feeling that youwill only experience with this drug, becoming really interest with the small things, bonding with friends, rubbing your face and/or the carpet for hoursor just to get 'fucked up' then X would be SWIM's choice.


Spiritual seeker:Now if your looking to discover yourself, see things from points of view you could never imagine, connect with people(bonding), animals or evenobjects, feel sensations that will be all to new to you, or just laugh your ass off...Then mushrooms are for you. Also with mushrooms comes feelings of bliss...more natural than with X but you also have the chance of fear or feeling of death. Either way bad trip or good trip you will walk way learning more about yourself than with X.


As for acid SWIM thinks that you need to do mushrooms first before you take that step.





Now realize that mushrooms offer everything I put under X but there not really guaranteed as where with X you have a 99.9% chance of all that happening. Also don't get me wrong by using non-Spiritual seeker and Spiritual seeker as if one is good and one is bad. Some people just don't like to soul search but I sure as hell do. Just study the hell out of whatever you do is one piece of advice I can assure you will help no matter what you take. Especially mushrooms, duetoitability to inducing feelings,cause if you happen to feel death touching your shoulder you can realize that its impossible to die from mushrooms and dismiss it. Good luck man ^_^Edited by: Amisten

[drugs-bunny]

everybody's just saying "XTC", or MUSHROOMS. how can u just say that? i
think we should first know if this guy wants to hallucinate and
discover himself, discover the world in a whole new way
(mushrooms/acid), or if he just wants to feel really good (mdma).