SWIM tried smoking caffeine by adding some purified caffeine to a self-rolled cigarette. The effects were a bit similar to a joint, but SWIM only felt a kind of dirty stoned, a bit sedated. There was no high present. SWIM said it was the opposite feeling of snorting or drinking it.
Anybody ever tried this or know something about the effects/consequences?
Did SWIY consider if caffeine be effectively consumed in this manner, not every drug can be smoked... Snuffkin once had a gram of 97.8% pure caffeine and at the time (a long time ago) also considered trying to smoke it, but never bothered (he is pretty sure) because he found it was inactive when smoked.
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SWIM looked it up before he smoked it, and he did find it to be ineffective when smoked, but because he has a lot of it (99,64% pure according to the certificate) , he smoked it anyway. The effect was definitely there, but it was not what he expected. Generally one would expect a short rush when smoking caffeine, but it was a really dirty stoned that lasted quite long. That's why SWIM wondered if anybody else tried this. Could it be that the heat transforms the caffeine into another chemical?
According to the section on smoking caffeine in "Caffeine Frequently Unanswered Questions" (search Google, relevant text pasted below; though not sure about who wrote it and how reliable it is), caffeine in pills is largely freebase, or, alternatively, citrate form (which can be converted with baking soda), but pills have other things in them. Not sure if you have pills or powder? Does the certificate say what form it is?
That FUQ also states that since the vapor is flammable, you'd smoke a lot of burnt caffeine, so the best bet would be to vaporise it.
If you really want to try freebase caffeine to smoke, and you can't figure out what your powder is, you could try to make some from coffee grounds as detailed in this post: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79401
Relevant section in Frequently Unanswered Questions:
In article <46p45b$o0h@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
Jon Coppeard <jc217@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>ryanmcra <ryanmcra@mi.net> wrote:
>>Just for curiosities sake! What would happen if you crushed up some
>>caffeine pills into a fine powder and rolled it up in a marijuana joint.
+ It wouldn't work too well, since caffeine pills contain a lot of
+ miscellaneous other shit than caffeine. If you want to smoke caffeine,
+ you need to extract it from caffeine pills, and convert it to free base
+ form (using NaOH).
- Caffeine is present in most pills as the freebase - the exception
- typically being the citrate. Using NaOH on it is a bad idea in any case.
+ Alternatively, you can keep it as an acid salt (citrate, hydrochloride,
+ whatever) and mix it with sodium hydrogen carbonate (baking soda) and
+ expect it to basify "on-the-fly" as it were. I'd trust the former route
+ more than the latter.
+ Anyway, you'd need to smoke it in a vaporization pipe, of the form used
+ to smoke DMT and other free base alkaloids.
- Yeah - caffeine vapor is _quite flammable_ and so it can't be smoked
- with a direct flame hit without inhaling quite a bit of burnt caffeine.
>And then smoked it, I presume? I'm not sure about this but the caffine would
>probably just burn and turn into something else -
+ Which is one of the problems with smoking w/o a vaporization pipe.
>I doubt it would actually make it to your brain.
+ If you managed to vaporize it, it probably would. Generally you *don't*
+ want to smoke vapors of acid salts of alkaloids; acid salts are for
+ ingesting, sniffing, injecting, and rectal insertion.
- Actually, quite a few HCl salts are "smokeable" and often just that
- happens, for example methamphetamine HCl among illegal drug users.
>If it did though, then you would get some of the effects of both
>drugs which, since they have fairly opposite effects, would be
>rather strange.
+ Caffeine and marijuana don't have opposite effects. Marijuana is an
+ anandamide ligand (nobody knows if it's an agonist or antagonist);
+ anandamide receptors aren't well understood but may be coupled to
+ arachidonic acid; possibly involved in second-messenger processes.
+ Caffeine, on the other hand, is an adenosine antagonist, and by blocking
+ adenosine at presynaptic receptors, it increases neurotransmitter release
+ in the applicable neurons (catecholaminergic mostly, probably also some
+ glutamate).
>I don't know why you would want to do this... taking combinations of drugs
>which have opposing effects is never a good thing because you won't get the
>full effects of either.
+ Not true. It *can* be dangerous, depending on the combo. Methamphetamine
+ and diacetylmorphine (heroin), for example, is not inherently that much
+ more dangerous than the sum of its parts, but people tend to be stupid
+ and don't take into account that A) the effects of one drug can alter
+ the perception of the other, leading people to take more of the other,
+ and B) they don't metabolize at the same rate, so you can "run out" of
+ one and still be high on the other.
24-03-2009, 12:29
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