Combinations - How to use benzo's resonsibly when coming down off stimuant/amphetamine abuse

[Synesthesiac]

When the odd time comes that you get carried away with the amounts you do and are anticipating a bad crash (MDPV does the worst for swim) I find its always amazingly beneficial to pop a benzo to relax your over-stimulated central nerver systems and relax your muscles and get some sleep (hypnotic benzo's reommended for sleep, tamazepam).

So far swim has been using 20mg of diazepam and 1.5mg of Alprazolam at the end of his overindulgences. Each with very good effects, not to strong as to cause any issues, but just right to relax your muscles and mind and nod off.

Swim would very much like to know if this is a pretty safe things in general to do. Swim thinks this is what most docs will give for overstimmulaed/agitated people.

Swim would also like to know if its better not to combine the two? In his old days of amphetamine/stimulant abuse sometimes he used to use his amphetamins for the night, get on the benzos when he was crashing, and because the benzo's made hin so relaxed and carfefree he started the amphetamine again. Which I presume is not a good idea? What would the dangers of mixing the two continuously like this be?

[Hands_CleaN]

Swim takes xanex bars and/or GHB when coming down, usually swim takes two bars at the onset of depression and knocks out no problem... Wakes up feeling great.....However if you can get GHB, I think you'll like that one far better for coming down than the benzos.....

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by Hands_CleaN

Swim takes xanex bars and/or GHB when coming down, usually swim takes two bars at the onset of depression and knocks out no problem... Wakes up feeling great.....However if you can get GHB, I think you'll like that one far better for coming down than the benzos.....

Swim saves his GBL for if he gets the jitters when doing too much, as it has a faster time to take effect from swims experience. Theres nothing like a good stimulant session with the appropriate harmreduction to follow, swims personal favorite is mixing MDPV with GBL. GLB erradicates all the side effects from high MDPV use, and MDPV boosts the aphrodisiac qualities of the GBL, leaving an almost euphoric state.

So swim saves his GHB/GBL for overstimulation situations, not really for the comedown or after effects.

Whats peoples opinions on combing benzo's with stimulants then concurrently? From swims previous limited experience (MDPV + GBL and Butylone + Benzo's) He found that returning to the stimulated state after taking the previous benzo's gave a nice feeling, a relaxed feeling at the same time as a mentally alert and stimulated feeling.

Though he's pretty sure that this combination is not a good habit to make. Stimulamts = Upper, Benzo's = downer. It seems sometimes that bad aspects of each cancel each other out, and leave behind a very desirable effect.

So it is advisable to avoid benzo's in general BEFORE using stimulants on any medical grounds? Swims cautious of trying this one, but previous experience suggest some worthwhile effects from it.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Downers after uppers is a nice plan if you're not scared of getting addicted to the downers. Swim doesn't have that problem really. He likes downers but he can live without them. Unlike uppers.

Mixing uppers and downers feels amazing. I think the main issue is mainly just if you overdose on either drug, because you think you can take more downers if you're more up or more uppers if you're too down. Then if you OD, it's probably significantly harder to treat you without overdosing you on something else. If speedballing must be done, just take it easy and don't take any more of either drug than normal, period, taking less is a great idea.

In general I'm pretty sure if somebody's overdosing on a stimulant and only has moderate tachycardia(up to maybe 120bpm), it can be treated with a short acting benzo. I'm not for sure, but I believe I read 20mg diazepam or an equivalent amount of another benzo. It would obviously depend from person to person. That might not be enough with worse overdoses, not fast enough acting, and may lot lower heart rate and blood pressure to a desired level on it's own. Read about the heart, learn it, understand it, and make up whatever scenarios you want. It's a complicated subject, and can't really be narrowed down that much. It's all going to depend on each unique situation. Just realize that cocaine and insufflated adderall will probably wear off a lot faster than a valium or xanax bar would. Anything can happen. Depending on swiy's blood pressure and heart rate normally, while overdosing on coke, after valiums and blood pressure meds are thrown in, and after the coke wore off completely while the valium and blood pressure meds are still kicked in. It's harder for doctors to judge how much medicine to give you when they don't know how much your blood pressure will drop after the coke wears off and they don't necessarily know how much valium you took either. Although mixing the two directly PROBABLY isn't that bad. It could fuck you over in a situation where you should have been saved. Or it could save your life. It's all about using science and reasoning out what could happen in each situation.

[pixilated1]

SWIM prefers to come down with a combination of Norco & Flexeril. Valium would be a first-line replacement, Ativan second, Xanax third. SWIM doesn't have any concerns about becoming addicted to the painkillers or benzos, though.

SWIM's downer supply was cut off last summer. Since then, she's been known to come down with the assistance of Nyquil or Benadryl, or nothing at all. It's definitely nicer with a big meal & something of the pharmaceutical variety to help get that big meal down.

[Synesthesiac]

Does it put strain your heart mixing the two?

I mean ones pumping your heart up and stimulating it, and ones calming your down and relaxing you. Cant be too healthy.

[100mg Methylphenidate]

It's probably less stressful on the heart actually. Slowing the heart down and lowering blood pressure too would be helpful. Not to mention the anti epileptic properties of benzodiazepines. This doesn't make it any less dangerous overall.

[silent545]

It doesn't strain the heart i hate it when people always act like mixing uppers and downers is soo deadly. it's not like when u take the drug ur heart recieves mixed signals and fluctuates up and down crazily confusing it and hurting it. Uppers will increase your heart rate because they release a certain amount of brain chemical that tell ur heart rate to increase. While downers do the opposite when u do this it your heart rate will just be a mid point between the 2 and stay that way til one drug wears off. Mainly the concern is overdose on one of the two especially with downers because someone can be on amphetamine and take more of a depressent drug than usual and be ok, but when the amphetamine wears off and the depressent drug is still active they can overdose because the amphetamine was the only thing keeping them stable.

[tyranny4u]

Let me tell you this, it's no joke. If the crash comes near or already happens,
don't cry. EAT! eat a slice or two of toast with butter and jam, drink a glass
of milk and if you have it eat a fresh yoghurt also. then have a hot shower.
tt knows, eating on meth is hard, especially to beginners. just don't think
about it. do it, while thinking about something else. or simply force your-
self, sorry.
dress into your fresh favourite fat t-shirt and lay down on a tidy bed.
drink some water, relax. don't turn the telly on, or at least try to keep it
turned off.
now wait half an hour. you will need less benzos if coming home, laying
down in a dirty, sweaty shirt on a messed up bed, thinking that you are
a part of this awkward mess around you.

the trick is, you change the situation, make yourself feeling more comfortable,
your stomach works, that will make you a bit more relaxed, sometimes even tired.

if you feel the need, masturbate until coming. if you need it, do that 5
times, doesn't matter.

For a crash after excessive abusing amph/meth: Take one unit of your dose
of benzo you normally would need to sleep without having taken amph.
If you feel no effect after 30 minutes take the same amount again.
wait another 30 minutes. no effect? take the double amount with a small
sip of vodka (a small one, 2 up to 4 cl which is 20 - 40 ml).
Now you should get relaxed at least.

In no way the tyrant recommends substance abuse. But for those tweak-
ers that crash 4 times a month a little supply of clonidine would be good
to have at home.