Combinations - Nootropics potentiating psychedelics?

[Mezza]

Has anyone tried using piracetam or any other nootropines to potentiate the effects of psycoactive drugs? Ive read several reports on Erowid describing positive experiences with piracetam in combination with MDMA. Supposedly intensifying the peak while at the same time smoothing the come down.


Ive tried piracetam with low dose MDMA (~70mg), and honestly I couldnt tell if there was any difference.


I have had very good results taking a mix of Taurine,L-Tyrosine,Caffeine,and vitaminC during a mushroom trip though.


Mezza

[sterling77]

I remember reading on Erowid of someone who tripped a couple times on shrooms and piracetam. He said the visuals were much clearer, more complex, and edgier and sharper. He said the usual smearing and "psychadelic soup" effects were not present. I've also read that it mixes well with weed- less haziness and more euphoria.

I just need to stop being lazy and order some...

[daeron]

man piracetam is the wonder drug,im currently on dxm/piracetam combo

[jesusfreak666er]

hmmm piracetam and dxm...interesting wouldn't dxm and piracetam have opposite effects on the NDMA recepters? however if it works for swim cool

[chrisn]

I know there are a few scattered reports of these combinations throughout this forum but I'd like to see a thread with all of this information together. It seems to be well established that piracetam potentiates psychedelics, but I'd like to know to what degree, and in what way.

For those that have had experience with this, how much did piracetam enhance your experience and in what way? Did it just act like you had taken a higher dose, or were certain effects increased while others were not? Were side effects such as nausea the same, higher, or lower? How much piracetam had you taken and at what time relative to the psychedelic? Did it ever change the nature of the drug from what you were familiar with, such as having drastically different looking visuals? Does one need to be on a daily regimen of piracetam for this to work or would a single attack dose be just as effective?

Any answers to these questions or other information would be greatly appreciated.

[Fantasian]

SWIF will update this soon, he is undergoing a trial with a tryptamine and piracetam.

[Euphoric]

Updates from SWIF or others? It's been awhile

[nate81]

after taking oxiracetam for several days, SWIM noticed a bit extra anxiety than usual. He tried taking some kratom and it wasn't "heavy" like usual. In fact, the combo was much more stimulating than usual and he had trouble sleeping. He even drank 10 grams of mulungu the same night and didn't fall asleep until 6a.m. (no coffee, or stimulants for hours).

With oxiracetam in his system, SWIM found caapi to be ineffective. 12 grams of red caapi tea had zero effect. Even after trying to shed some Light on the evening proved futile.

SWIM had been taking ~1200mg daily with choline but will cut this dose in half from now on.

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	thanks for sharing.
	Informative post

[0utrider]

with piracetam a friend like weed more, that about the only thing he tried.. opiates were same as usual, but didnt try high doses, only very low..

oxi (afaik) and piracetam (for sure, prolly also among othert racetams) are known to sometimes cause anxiety effects.. aniracetam is said to be different concerning anxiety

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thanks.

[nate81]

thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind and probably try ani next time around. The oxi makes me feel restless but the mental effects are highly desireable.

[Fantasian]

Hey sorry for the long reply had forgotten i had posted in this thread.
SWIF found the following effects when combining piracetam with drug of choice.

MDMA:
The high is definately more intense however it's alot more pushy with a much stronger amphetamine feel rather than a relaxed loving feeling. Some will prefer this and others not. BUt there is no doubt potentiation. Also not SWIF but one of his friends felt quite sick with this combination, just a side note.

Tryptamines (with ref to DPT, DIPT and MIPT):
Again there is definately potenation with a more aggressive angle, the trip is more intense but also much less smooth, im beginning to get the feeling that piracetam gives a forced drive toward something as part of the potentiation.

Amphetamine
Here is where SWIF found the best potentitation, increases posative effects significantly and actually appears to reduce negative effects at lower doses. Also worth noting that piracetam almost completely negates any speed comedown assuming it is taken over a consistant period, not that i advocate taking amphetamine with it that often

All in all i would suggest a general potentiation but with an added pushy aggressivness that can factor in whatever the experience.

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	Thanks for the write-up.
	Very informative post

[Euphoric]

In regards to SWIF use, is piracetam part of a daily regimen? What is the daily intake? Are greater or lesser piracetam doses used when tripping?

[Felix Guattari]

Shit, I justed posted on this, and then found this one.

Piracetam provided SWiM with one of the most glowing caffeine/amphetamine experiences of his life. 30 mg insufflated, 2g of piracetam. Among the most lucid moments I've experienced. Piracetam and Salvia was far, far too intense for the setting, but incredible.

SWiM's also about to get a prescription for an amphetamine for depression/ADD/concentration issues, so I'm wondering how long he could go on speed while being protected by LOTS of smart drugs. L-tyrosine and neurally oriented multis, tums and with aniracetam potentiating and reducing necessary dosage. Kava I've found makes the best 'speedball' with amps, reduces anxiety greatly if your tolerance is right. I may be able to get some modafinil, so that could help build a baseline so comedowns won't be (as) totally debilitating. Memantine also reverse the tolerance mechanism.. so could SWiM speed endlessly!?!?

I have a feeling it doesn't work exactly this way, but man can dream.

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Be careful and use SWIM or similar. Your friend should know better

[Fantasian]

Felix Guattari your experience sounds really interesting and invaluable to understanding how piracetam potentiates amphetamines in particular but check the rules in relation to self-incrimination, the use of SWIM etc. THe idea of taking piracetam and amphetamines with various multi vits etc is an interesting concept in terms on maintaining a constant productive output but be weary even if one doesnt feel it amphetmines definately take a toll on ones body whether they are on piracetam or not. In particularly with someone living with depression/ADD it is important not to use amphetamine recreationally too often or one might find the medical dosages ineffective.

Originally Posted by Euphoric

In regards to SWIF use, is piracetam part of a daily regimen? What is the daily intake? Are greater or lesser piracetam doses used when tripping?

SWIF has used piracetam in various ways to fully evaluate it's effects, in the cases listed previous SWIF is referring to using a daily dosing regimen of around 800mg -1000mg per day with a slightly higher intake on the day of the recreational substance use say for example 1500-2000mg. Doing this causes a greater potentiation of piracetams combination effects as i described earlier whether they are desired or not depends on the subject.

SWIF has used recreational substances when on the normal lower doses which results in a similar effect albeit not as intense.

In SWIF's oppinion unless one is looking for a more aggressive bumpy ride it isnt worth the supplementation with tryptamines, but is worth it with more amphetamine type highs, alot depends on the setting of use and the desired outcome.

[Felix Guattari]

Sorry, just started posting, and Swim was rather more stoned than is optimal while writing (which appears to be a common ailment around here..).

Felix Guattari your experience sounds really interesting and invaluable to understanding how piracetam potentiates amphetamines in particular but check the rules in relation to self-incrimination, the use of SWIM etc. THe idea of taking piracetam and amphetamines with various multi vits etc is an interesting concept in terms on maintaining a constant productive output but be weary even if one doesnt feel it amphetmines definately take a toll on ones body whether they are on piracetam or not. In particularly with someone living with depression/ADD it is important not to use amphetamine recreationally too often or one might find the medical dosages ineffective.

The suggestion of a vitamin-fueled endless speed run was pure fantasy, but I think there could be benefits to boosting one's prescribed doses with a good nootropics regimen. After seeing as many speed-victims created by medical use as Swim has, Swim is interested in avoiding as much neurotoxicity/dopamine stress as is possible.

Swim actually can't comfortably speed for more than a day before the toll on the body starts getting to be unreasonably much, even with extensive preloading and redosing of appropriate vitamins.



Swim is planning on doing an aniracetam + shrooms (possibly +dextroamphetamine..) some time fairly soon.


Does it seem to anyone else that the 'racetams must be in the zeitgeist of late?

[Shampoo]

A subject of mine has done extensive research on both nootropics and psychedelics, and is currently in the early stages of a book that he is writing on the topic with a well-known psychedelic author. Here are a few combinations with basic information. More extensive notes, including dosages, will be added shortly.

Piracetam and LSD: Piracetam dosed 30 minutes prior to ingestion of LSD, and a choline supplement taken at the time of LSD consumption.

Results: Piracetam seems to diminish confusion/befudlement that commonly comes with LSD for SWIM. It reduces overwhelming synesthesia and makes for a very 'clear-head'. In no way were visual or psychologically psychedelic attributes of the LSD experience diminished, the user was simply able to experience them with a clear, compitent head on his shoulders. Overall duration is increased, with the comeup being unaffected, but the residual effects post-peak lasting for almost 11-13 hours (Not a DOx chemical, just a prolonged LSD duration). Memory formation also seemed increased, as it is one of the clearest trips in his memory.

Aniracetam, Alpha-GPC, L-Huperzine, DHA and Mushrooms: A full nootropic stack was taken approximately 1 hour before ingestion of mushroom tea.

Results: The comeup (assumingly due to the increased lipid solubility from DHA) seemed drastically shortened, the user feeling first effects within 15 minutes, and rising to a full 2++ by 35 minutes. The 'clear head' of the LSD 'racetam combo was not noted here, though the increased memory formation was certainly present. SWIM noted that he believed the visual clarity of his hallucinations was also increased. What would normally be blurry rings around street lights were still animated and exxagerated, but without an inebriated sloppiness. He also noted that the effects seemed to be prolonged with this combo, lasting a full 8 hours rather than the usual 5-7.

Aniracetam, L-Huperzine, and 2C-B: Aniracetam taken 1.5 hours prior to ingestion of 2C-B, L-Huperzine taken earlier in the day, about 1 hour before the aniracetam.

Results: No definitive change in effects. Subject noted a slight increase in attention span, making some of the 2C-B visual more intriguing, calling for increased focus and leading to increased intensity of stimulation.

There are a few more reports sitting around here, I just have to dig them up.

More to come later...

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Thanks for sharing, looking forward to updates and the book.