Other - Why are good pills so hard to find these days?

[Revolver123]

This isn't a post asking where to get pills - Swim has read and is abiding by the forum rules.

Swim is just curious as to why good E pills are so hard to find these days. Is it because the 90s are long gone and thus the raver scene is miniscule now in modern times? Is it because the DEA increased the penalties on possession and intent to distribute MDMA? A combination of the two? Maybe because MDMA is hard to synthesize and it's not naturally occuring? Is it because a lot of people have lost the magic or got board of ecstasy?

Seriously what is going on.. it's almost as if MDMA is disappearing completely. Such a shame as it's one of the most beautiful drugs out there.

[Pilllzz]

swim wouldnt say the DEA increasing penalties would stop MDMA availability. Prohibition has never stopped people from selling or using drugs. Think about weed. swim wouldnt say because people have lost the magic either. There is no full answer but swim would have to say it is because the drug has grown much more popular and many people use other substances to press with MDMA and sell as E. It is very cheap to stamp DXM and even meth and sell it as "E". It also varies on where you live. For example in So cal it is still easy enough to find good rolls.

[yaba]

Think its greed from the pill makers and the customer who doesn't want to pay for it anymore. When swim was living in The Netherlands from birth till about 8 years ago there wasn't such a thing as a bad pill ! And if someone knows the right people he would know who was making them and that the quality would always be excellent.

Now swim is living somewhere else and doesn't know how the situation is in The Netherlands, but is shocked to hear that there are so many bad pills out there..

In his old days people would refuse to make bad pills ! Or even put anything else in other then MDMA, and now ? Swim was asked if he could get any pills with just the binder (destined for Greece) He ask his friend and was told to fu*k off ! No pill of my will leave the lab unless its good he was told ! Not that swim normally would sell fake pills but he owned the guy a favor..

In swims time most pills would have 100mg of MDMA in them there were 80mg ones available And stronger pills were made sometimes for the Japanese and Australian marked, those people were still willing to pay !

Even swim could see that the price went down when he started taking pills he was 13 (17 years ago) and the pills were expensive ! When he moved to Amsterdam 5 years later the price has dropped ! And the prices are still dropping even in the place he is in now, people don't want to pay.. And the competition is getting worse ! MDMA labs are or were everywhere in The Netherlands specially in the south region close to Belgium. Lot of precursors are coming from Belgium and the pill making machines from Poland.

[RaverHippie]

likely a local thing

across a good bit of the us my raver friends have had no problem finding em

[EndlessKnight]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

likely a local thing

across a good bit of the us my raver friends have had no problem finding em

I think if you check ecstasydata you will see its not just a local thing.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by EndlessKnight

I think if you check ecstasydata you will see its not just a local thing.

Unfortunately, e-data is no longer a reliable indicator in any way of the current state of the "ecstasy" market in the US, if it ever was (I believe it was producing some valuable data at the height of its popularity). Very few samples have been tested in the last few years, and these were produced by people who had $120 or so to spend, and enough suspicion of the contents of their tablets to go to such lengths.

When looking at ecstasydata, or the DEA microgram journal, which is another source for information about lab results for ecstasy pills, one is left with the impression that there is nothing but garbage out there on the market. But then there are several members here expressing very different opinions. So I suggest that it is very difficult to get much of an objective picture of the current US ecstasy market, given the disparity between the scant, highly selected laboratory data and the practical experience of many individuals.

[BrainMelt]

Swim always gets excellent pills. Swiy must not be in the best area for it. A few months ago, swim actually came across the cleanest MDMA pills he ever had(pink star shaped). Those were amazing. In swims area there is a bit of a sub culture of hardcore clubbers who do tons of high quality E pills on a very regular basis. Many of swims friends have been getting pure MDMA crystals as well.

MDMA is very much still around and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[buzzman]

SWIM has never had a bad pill. SWIM even buys pills off strangers sometimes still of good quality. Not all are mdma based (still good fun though) but most are.

[Zoidberg]

There seems to be loads of bzp and mcpp-based pills in the UK these days. Proper mdma ones are harder to come by than ever before. It doesn't bother SWIM too much as he 'gets on' ok with bzp and mcpp, but plenty of other people hate peps.

[electroluvah]

Originally Posted by Revolver123

Is it because a lot of people have lost the magic or got board of ecstasy?

Seriously what is going on.. it's almost as if MDMA is disappearing completely. Such a shame as it's one of the most beautiful drugs out there.

SWIM doesn't think that the magic is lost at all...SWIM is in college and there are plenty sources around who can supply quality MDMA
SWIM agrees though that the pills to see to be cut with varies substances that it is hard to know what you are really paying for...
Some people like to settle for less, but if SWIM is paying for something...she should know what is going into her body.
Thats why SWIM sticks to powder..the roll just seems flawless and clean

[Pilllzz]

ya its forsure a local thing. swim does believe in general the quality of rolls has decreases but not the amount of mdma. greed in dealers

[actarus]

In swim's area good pills are hard to come by.
Moreover, what pisses swim off is that a lot of people dont seem to care if what they get is an mdma pill or just some dirty chemical, as long as it fuck 'em up.
They judge the pills depending on how powerful, strong they are, doesnt matter really they contain/are who the fuck knows what.

[geezaman]

It will depend on SWIYs locality as already mentioned.
SWIM would also suggest availability of other easier to acquire drugs that can be sold as E such as BZP (piperazine).

SWIM does not know if its the same throughout the world but in SWIMs area of the UK talking to older users it seems that drugs (including E) have become alot more available, more socially accepted and cheaper than ever before (a single pill where SWIM lives is a 5th of the cost it was when said older users were buying (1980s/1990s). This reduction in cost and ease of availability means people today are less likely to complain to the guy who sold them the low quality pill.

Also because people are more happy to pay for a sub standard product, whats the point in the dealer going to the hassle of Getting real or good quality pills when his customers buy the low quality ones to almost the same degree?
Peace.

[Revolver123]

Swim lives in the nation's capital of the states (Washington DC area) and apparently the raver scene is very lowkey there. Most pills that circulate in DC come out of Baltimore, Maryland and are either pipers or very low dose MDMA pills.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by Revolver123

Swim lives in the nation's capital of the states (Washington DC area) and apparently the raver scene is very lowkey there. Most pills that circulate in DC come out of Baltimore, Maryland and are either pipers or very low dose MDMA pills.

Strange.Being on the east coast, as I am, I hear about plenty of big rave type events happening in clubs in DC. Recently there was a large party featuring Rabbit in the Moon and about four other very large names in the rave scene. Then if you feel like traveling out of DC there is always the massives put on by the people who do Starscape and also there are weekly parties at a place called the Black Hole also in maryland.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Why are good pills so hard to find these days?

Simple answer, good ecstacy pills are hard to come by because the market for ecstacy is unregulated thus it's impossible to determine the actual contents of the pill unless one has proper testing equiptment.

SWIM would suggest finding some1 (a trusted source) with pure MDMA or not using ecstacy at all..The risks involving consumption of pills with unkown contents certainly outweigh the benefits.

[actarus]

Does BZP stand for benzodiazepine?
Just to know, what're the effects of a BZP pill?
Might be to feel a strong rush, feel very awake, "fucked" (hope swiy get what swim means), and similar effect (that swim finds anything but enjoyable) ?

actarus added 33 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

swim did a quick research on wikipedia, he meant benzylpiperazine (BZP), not benzodiazepine.
By reading the effects described on wiki he believes he had BZP pills, theres plenty around, and he really does not like em at all.

[Alfa]

Actarus: please see the piperazines forum, which is dedicated to BZP and similar drugs.

Radiometer; do you have any thoughts about providing an objective picture in some way?

[dark12]

Hmm. Interesting thread.
SWIM lives in the midwestern United States and he will not purchase ecstasy unless he finds reports online first. This has only discouraged him a couple times; he can almost always find data pertaining to the local rolls on the internet.
Also, SWIM has found this data to be damn near accurate. SWIM has never had a negative experience with the rolls he finds and he rarely ever rolls off the same looking pill twice. SWIY just needs the self control to turn down a roll if there is no good info out there about them. That is the main reason he has never had a bad trip. His friends pop whatever they can find and they have many horror stories.