Drug info - Phenethylamines/Tryptamines that are not pyschedelic drugs

[ImSoHappy]

SWIM is intrested in which Tryptamines and phenethylamines are not pyschedelics.

[polidelaiko]

Tryptamine, tryptophan, melatonin, 5htp, sumatripan, phenetylamine, phenylalanine, tyrosine....

[ImSoHappy]

Okay SWIM phrased this completely wrong looking back. What of the two categories would be described as a stimulant/euphoriant as opposed to a physchedelic.

[polidelaiko]

Well for SWIM most (but not all) psychedelic tryptamines and phenetylamines are stimulant/euphoriants in low doses....
For example he ussually doses 6mg 2C-I, or 0.5mg 2C-T-21, at this doses there´s little or no psychedelia, or not as strong as with bigger doses.
Low doses of AMT? 5-MeO-DIPT, 5-MeO-MIPT? 4-HO-DIPT?
The thing is, this isn´t even a rule of thumb. As some rats take DIPT and only find an auditory distorsion, when others are catapulted into a psychedelic soup.

[ImSoHappy]

Okay. SWIM knows that low doses of physchedelics will produce stimulation.

But as for tryptamines SWIM would say there is none that would qualify, maybe AET but not sure.

As for phenethylamines he would say that MDPV, methylone, MBDB (very similiar in structure to MDMA) and alpha-ppp, mephedrone and 4-fluoroamphetamine (similiar in structure to amphetamine).

[foxydoe]

PEA's
Methamphetamine, amphetamine, methcathinone, ethcathinone, cathinone, phentermine,

tryptamines
Very few of these(i can't think of any) are stimulants without psychedelic effect. Many have various pharmacological profiles just not stims. Maybe alpha-ethyltryptamine, not positve tho.

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Concise and correct information.

[TheBadMan]

So, you want to know what drugs exist which are non-hallucinogenic, but are euphorigenic, stimulating and possess either the phenethylamine or tryptamine moiety?

Amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate (Ritalin), and ephedrine are not hallucinogenic and produce stimulation and euphoria to varying degrees. They all possess the phenethylamine moiety.

The list could be quite broad. SWIM cannot think of any with the tryptamine moiety, though suspects that some of the LSD like derivatives used in research with dopamine affinity may not be psychedelic but might be euphoric and stimulating and these drugs would contain both the phenethylamine and tryptamine moieties. Opiates contain the phenethylamine moiety and produce a period of euphoria and can be very stimulating, though SWIM would not say that they are primarily stimulants, so you may intend to disclude such drugs.

[Desertfox]

What triptan would SWIY use if they were trying to look for the triptan that is the easiest to convert to DMT, or another active tryptamine? Sulmatriptan doesn't seem very economical with its current prices and it would probably be harder to rid that ring of the methylsulfonamide functional group

Any swimmer's have any ideas?