Effects - tripping off PERIWINKLE??

[ivjinxvi]

okay, so the other day SWIM was reading up on erowid, and noticed that there were a couple posts of people smoking, and tripping off of the common plant periwinkle.
SWIM personally has never heard of smoking periwinkle until i read the trip reports.
now what SWIM was wondering was
1. CAN you trip/hallucinate from smoking periwinkle?
and
2. how would you prepare this? SWIM knows you need to dry the plant, but what do you do after that? smoke the entire plant?



SWIM had also heard that smoking it had a chance of death.. but that was from a source that wasnt pro-drug.. so they might have just been saying that to make SWIM avoid it.
so that leads to my last question
How bad is it for you? Whats the chances of it seriously messing something up?

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You've brought up an interesting topic well worth further research.

[Potter]

So we've got Catharanthus roseus. Both contain Vincamine, a tryptamine that seems to increase blood flow to the brain and has nootropic properties. Other alkaloid may have anti-cancer properties. The Madagascar periwinkle may also contain both Yohimbine and Ibogaine, so there may be some potential here. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much info on the source of this other then a slide show from a Hawaiian ethnobotany class that does not cite sources.

Vinca Minor does not seem to be toxic according the US army, but this here site gives a vague warning it could be not so good to eat or might kill you. This site offers the following

Vinca minor may cause damage to the kidneys, liver, or nerves. In addition, it may have harmful effects on a fetus if it is taken by a pregnant woman. Infants may be affected if a woman takes vinca minor while breastfeeding. The use of Vinca minor as an herbal supplement is not recommended.

Side Effects
Vinca minor can cause low blood pressure, constipation, gastrointestinal (GI) upset, and flushing of the face.

Interactions
A cancer drug derived from a plant related to Vinca minor caused breathing and heart problems when it was taken with another cancer drug called mitomycin. Whether a similar interaction occurs with supplemental Vinca minor is not known. Individuals who take cancer drugs should talk to a doctor before using any herbal or dietary supplements. Vinca minor could increase the effects of drugs that lower blood pressure, resulting in confusion, dizziness, or fainting if the blood pressure becomes too low.

As for the Madagascar periwinkle, which seems to offer more opportunity, all the above warnings along with ones related to MAO-I's and Iboga, should apply until evidence of these chemicals is refuted..

Smoking is probably not very risky. We're not going to be able to find a whole lot on that as scientists aren't going to consider that a route of medical ingestion and won't investigate it. As this plant is pretty much unknown to the drug culture, there isn't going to be much non-scientific info either. While the alkaloids are of dubious safety, a few grams seems unlikely to be lethal.

The Madagascar plant is cited under Louisiana State Act 159, banning the growing of a number of plants for non-decorative purposes. There are a number of other "good leads" on this list.

So it might be worth experimenting with, but do so cautiously. Plan to take a few weeks to work up the dose, starting with a minuscule amount and slowly increasing until effects are felt. Leave a few days between experiments to make sure the chemicals don't accumulate and effect subsequent experiments.


Oh cool, just found info on extracting the alkaloids from this planthere

[ivjinxvi]

oh wow, that was more then helpful enough
but i heard that periwinkles dont grow in my area till a couple months.
so i guess SWIM will have to wait to try this experiment

[no1boxhead]

I cant imagine a periwinkle would smoke better than any other mollusc.

SWIM tried smoking a limpet once but they didn't get anything off it.

That made me think. Anyone else ever mistaken a dried slug for that bit of hash that got away?

[Johan73]

Did swim decide to try to grow an periwinkle? This ethnobotanical does sound interesting. Swim saw the reports on erowid as well and thinks he received an ounce in his last herbals order. If so it may be time for experimentation.

[Mickeld]

LOOK UP Catharanthus roseus on Wikipedia. It specifically says that it has been used for hallucegenic purposes and is illegal in Louisiana! THAT says something SWIM supposes. Of course Wikipedia is made by the people for the people, so some information may be untrustworthy. But it does not say that attention is needed for the article, which means no one has had a reason yet to complain about it. This sounds like a nice little experiment for sometime for SWIM!

[TheMainException]

SWIM checked it out on erowid.org and found a few trip reports there. A few people have noted that it does seem to effect them. One person drank a whole lot of tea (7 cups) and although they didn't feel anything that day, the whole next day or so they felt weird- http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=11550 Another person smoked it and experienced CEV's.-http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=74079. It could be worth experimenting with at some point since it is like a weed in SWIM's area.

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nice contribution

[Mickeld]

The wikipedia page also lists Ibogaine on the Catharanthus roseus page...... it does not say straight out that it contains it but to me it is funny for it to be there unless if it is in it.

[Johan73]

Here is some info swim found in research:

From the sticky thread 'Nootropic Guide'

Originally Posted by blinkKDX

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Vinpocetine (Ethyl Apovincamine) is a derivative of vincamine (a phytonootropic from periwinkle). While less potent as a mental stimulant than vincamine, Vinpocetine is the preferred nootropic for Enhancing blood flow to the Brain, Eyes, and Ears. Its effects on Cerebral Blood Flow far exceeds all other nootropics.

-Biochemical Effects-
-Enhances Brain Metabolism (By increasing Glucose Utilization, Blood & Oxygen Flow) (Boosts mental energy & cerebral circulation)
- Stimulates the Locus Coeruleus, (specialized neurons) (Involved in information processing, attention, cortical/behavioral arousal, learning and memory)
-Inhibits Platelet Aggregation (Reduces abnormal blood clots).
-Has a significant antioxidant effect.

-Dose-
20-40 mg daily with meals.
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There were a couple other posts that had basically the same information.

From a forum news article: Cannabis compound 'halts cancer'

Originally Posted by Pondlife

"Several cancer drugs based on plant chemicals are already used widely, such as vincristine - which is derived from a type of flower called Madagascar Periwinkle and is used to treat breast and lung cancer. It will be interesting to see whether CBD will join them."

Swim found an ounce of periwinkle in his stash. So he excitedly made up a quick joint and smoked it after having a few beers. The smoke was a bit harsh but not unpleasant. Swim got a slight buzz from the joint but not so much moreso than from smoking any other herb or plant. Swim forgot to check for closed eye visuals. With a lot of the ethnobotanicals it takes more than just one joint to get results though. So swim plans to try more later, possibly as a tea or making an extract.

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Excellent work here.