Combinations - Mescaline based rolls

[elementality0x]

Does anyone know what a mescaline based roll would be like? Swim is able to get some Red Apples and is wondering what mescaline based rolls are like. Swim heard that you hallucinate when you begin to dehydrate or if you take alot, but is any of that true?

[Potter]

I can't imagine there's any evidence that there are pills out there with mescaline in them, sounds like dealer BS. People simply don't extract mescaline at the commercial level. You might find one or two Doktors out there doing it for a few close friends, but they sure as hell aren't making E pills with it.

Or, they could be adding an RC like Brom-dragonfly to them. A few years ago nobody heard bromo-dragonfly being passed off as "synthetic mescaline" in upstate NY, resulting in at least one death.

What makes you think there's mescaline in them?

[DietBlonde]

I read on ecstasydata dot org that red apples are 10 parts mdma, 1 part caffeine. 314 mg. Possible that SWIY's pill isn't the exact same version.

SWIF recently took mdma and mescaline together. Just commented on how SWIF became sick for 4 days.

SWIM could not find any worthwhile experience reports on Errowid.

[julian]

Originally Posted by Two See Bee

I read on ecstasydata dot org that red apples are 10 parts mdma, 1 part caffeine. 314 mg. Possible that SWIY's pill isn't the exact same version.

Red apples are one of the most infamous presses in the history of ecstasy. It is very unlikely that the two pills are the same.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

SWIM thinks that while experiencing MDMA and mescaline at the same time would be close to heaven on earth, the likelihood of a pressed MDMA pill containing a psychoactive amount of mescaline is slim to none.

[electroluvah]

Originally Posted by Potter

I can't imagine there's any evidence that there are pills out there with mescaline in them, sounds like dealer BS. People simply don't extract mescaline at the commercial level.

SWIM has been talking to a friend ( another DF user) about this same thing. SWIM has been doing research on this since reading SWIY post, because SWIM has never heard of a mescaline roll....and would also like to know where SWIY heard this...

Pretty sure the dealer is full of B.S.
Also there is another thread about this,
search : ecstasy mixed with mescaline

[Readux]

There is such a small possibility of a mescaline based pill. Firstly, people lie to get easy sells, such as piperazine based pills. But mescaline isn't so easy to produce and find, there's no logic in tricking the buyer. It's just a waste of the dealers money.

[RaverHippie]

the active dose required + all the binders + the mdma would make a pill atleast one and a half to two times to normal size of pills. it would not be possible to make a pill with an active dose and still an adequate amount of mdma just in terms of volume and weight

[elementality0x]

a buddy of swim's took em and said that he hallucinated a bit, so swim thought that it might be possible for these to have some actual mescaline in em. either way, swim's heard good things about these rolls so there isn't a reason that they'd have to say there's anything in em to make me want em more really. and this candy man usually tells swim what goes into the pills anyways, like he said that the last pills were meth so there is nooo reason for him to lie about it unless he doesn't know about himself.

but mescaline does last like 14 hours, that's just weirdd. is there anyything that could be put in a pill to make someone hallucinate with everything still being enjoyable?

[Boca Bitch]

This sounds like the effects of MDA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxyamphetamine

[geezaman]

Unless SWIM has misunderstood: the OP heard that the E pills available to them caused hallucinations. From there they considered this may be due to mescaline, probably being unaware that MDxx substances like MDA (as SWIBoca_Bitch points out) can also cause hallucination/visual effects.
Pills containing MDA are certainly more likely than any containing mescaline.
Peace
Geezaman

[lineartransform]

In SWIM's opinion:

mescaline based rolls = pills cut with RCs to reduce MDMA content required, sold as "mescaline based" to explain the visuals that MDMA should not produce.

Then again, any dealer who says their pills are coke/heroin/whatever "based" is an idiot you should avoid.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

considering it takes 300-500mgs of mescaline for an orally active dose, add that to the 75-125mgs of MDxx in a typical roll, plus the necessary fillers and binders, SWIY is looking at a very large pill. If someone tries to sell SWIY a normal sized roll claiming it is mesc based, walk away. In fact, no matter the size of the pill, walk away unless SWIY enjoys unknown, random RCs in random doses

[freshacejay]

Serious dealer BS imho. I mean swim has heard some stupid shit from dealers but this is close to top 3
swim doenst know anything about combining mesc with e, but swim thinks you might find something in the mesc forum..
cheers and be safe

[elementality0x]

alrighty, thanks a bunch you guys. swim is thinkin he should stick with the purple ladys this time :]

[dibramlett07]

In swims complete honest opinion, almost all claims of an E pill being based with another substance, is complete and utter bullshit (with respect to some being simply a highly distorted view).

One has to realize that 75 to 125 mg of MDMA is a typical dosage, from "single stack" to "triple stack" ( <-- more bullshit). The imprint or outprint is a stamp in a machine. The color is fuckin color dye. Swim feels his IQ dropping when people say "red means this" and "Louis Vitton's contain this" and the sheer volume of these claims is ridiculous. Dont be confused, many E pills contain plenty of other substances, but one has to remember, these are cutting agents. Binders and fillers hold everything together, and can consequently be used as cut as well, while other things like Caffiene, MDA, MA, Diphephedrine, even DXM, or a bunch of other goofy substances are simply added to mimic the MDMA effect.

One could think of other active substances within the pill as "active" cutting agents, whiles chalks, binders, fillers, etc. are "inactive" cutting agents. Active-cut-containing pills could have the exact same percentage of MDMA as inactive-cut pills, but have more of an effect, making highly cut pills more valuable. Inactive agents wont have any effect, and make the pill "seem" like there is less MDMA, while equally cut pills with Actives will produce a closer to typical effect and "seem" like a typical dosage of MDMA is contained.

One has to realize that there just simply isnt some guy sitting in his lab thinking of all the cool different effects he could conjure by adding different substances to his pills (very possible from a personal or other small scale operating chemist, but commercially, practically non-existent). And unless you're good friends with the chemist, one will rarely see any of these claims in reality. A commerical distributor is interested in one thing and one thing only: economic success. Adding a bunch a crap to pills is simply commerical marketing at work. "Red pills contain heroin" or "green pills are dosed with acid", all that nonsense is just an easy way to up-sell the creators product based upon information that a user would typically be unable to obtain. On top of that, he'd be saving his own damn money by simply not adding or producing what the user assumes he is paying for. If anyone has spent time around an MDMA chemist at work, they'll notice that most of the claims coming from retail distributors are very skewed perspectives at best, if not, completely false. They'll tell you "hey, if these people wanna call these uncut 125 mg MDMA pills "triple stacks" and pay 50% extra and pay retail for my cut-to-hell "single stacks" or "double stacks", then let em believe whatever they want". Why would a chemist try and distribute 280 100mg molle's, when he can chop it to all hell and double his money? One has to view this from a marketing perspective to evaluate its credibility. It just doesnt make sense for a commercial chemist to not manipulate his products value when its ever so possible and ever so easy to do so.

Its kinda like, lets say, a "new and improved" toothbrush. For a few extra dollars, your teeth will be even cleaner. But in all simplicity, its still a damn toothbrush with brissels. This isnt a perfect analogy, but close enough to understand the basic concept. Does anyone think red and green colored cheez-its taste any better? How about triangular shaped ones? Yea, I didnt think so either.

Either way, the best advice to be had is to get a test kit to find out exactly what someone is taking, and not even a test kit will give you 100% accuracy. If one were truely wanting to combine the substances, it would be much safer (not exactly saying its safe at all) to have a clean dosage of each substance, rather than rely on a dealers word adn actually believing it. One might end up wasting their money, or potentially causing themselves health problems. Dealers arent pharmacists. Usually dealers pass the word down from the guy who supplied them, and hes not a pharmacist either. Most of the time.

But wtf does swim know. Hes not a pharmacist. Hes a chemist.

Reputation Comments on this post:

no new info here, but said what needed saying well, hopfully some will learn.

[elementality0x]

swimmy heard that those mesc based Red Apples had mcPP in them......and he heard that that's the worst of the worst........

sooooo.......swimmy went and got blue zoo yorks and and purple telephones.

and thennn......badadada da daaaaaaaaaaaaa............
swimmy ate the purple telephonessssssssss

swimmy is very happy right now.

that is all.

[dibramlett07]

Yea, definately had to be said eventually. :P prop

[pistol pete]

swims friend claims he had them, but its hard to know whats really in rolls and swim doesnt think its to likely that it would truly be mescaline, since its not the largest manufactured drug, and it wouldnt be economical really at all
swims freind told swim they were alot like 2cb, less visual more roll though. but swim thinks it could just be MDA which can give u hallucinations.
swim says high doses of MDA rolls are super similar to 2cb, even mescaline.

[dibramlett07]

From personal experience from pure positive MDA crystal, its exactly the same, with more visual effects. No the walls arent going to be bending, its not like hallucinating. Just more visual likeness to colors and moving lights, Like this.


2-cb is nothing like this, and typically neither are any other rolls.

The farthest out pill swim has ever taken (was unaware, but supplier was well aware, just non-informative), was a blue outprint apple. Again, the color and imprint had not a damn thing to do with what the pill actually contained. Swim was skeptical, so only half was taken in the first 30 minutes. (this has to be explained: swim was acquiring 1/4lb hydro, while in suppliers car, supplier asked swim to wait, he reached in a skittled bag and pulled out 2 of these pills and handed them to swim "here, try them out n lemme kno", so swim did as instructed.)

Swim ingested 2nd half after 30 minutes, not so skeptical anymore. However. After 2 1/2 hours, swim noticed for about the last thirty minutes things have been swirling and swaying, almost as if swim had been heavily drinking. Being a frequent x man, this is quickly noticed as not being normal. About 15 minutes after the drunkish feeling had completely set in, swim threw up outside, and 5 minutes afterward in the bathroom. When finished, swim just sat in the bathroom, feeling really blank and stupid, looked around while sitting in front of the toilet, and grabbed his toothbrush and toothpaste and proceeded to brush his teeth. Entire time swim felt blank; no facial expressions, no thoughts really, just staring quietly into space. After the sickness feeling subsided, swim walked to his room with 3 friends and sat on the bed and got on the computer. Everyone clearly noticed and stated that swim was acting strange, as if he wasnt all there. Swim understood everything being said to him, yet felt unable to speak, as if it wasnt relevant or had no need to be said. Swim continued to stare and space off while chillin on the internet. It took swim to summon all of his energy just to force out a response to his nearby friends. Any of this sound familiar to anyone?

The next day, swim had immediately assumed he had been stuck in a 'k-hole', but since swim had never previously used K, swim couldnt be entirely sure. So he did a little experiement. Swim had a buddy that had a steady supply of K and was a very frequent user. Without any notification, swim gave the remaining pill to him and told him to try it out (it was free, he didnt complain). The next day, swim's first phone call was from his friend, not even 10 seconds in he asked "man, wtf was in that pill? If i didnt know any better, id think it was K." This confirmed swims suspiscions, even further when he checked with his source, who had a big laugh at him "that K is crazy right?". Yea, real fuckin crazy, douche.

Swim was never sure whether MDMA had actually been present, MA was suspected more. Never had a roll feeling, but swim was definately feeling awake.

This was the only pill swim had ever taken, much less even seen, that contained something much different than typical contents. He's yet to see another one of the same pill, probably indicating that this pill had been exclusively produced by a non-commercial chemist, which is typically the case when it comes to a pill of not-mdma. The pill looked unprofessional, and as if it had come out of a handpress. <- Commercial chemists don't use a handpress, the use a machine, rotary press, capsule press, etc etc. If swim decides to roll, it better be crystalline and nothing less.