Dose - Alpha Methyl Fentanyl ( AMF ) potency ???

[cadillac555]

Ok SWIM knows from his experience that Fentanyl Hcl is about 100 times as potent as morphine, with 1mg of IV fentanyl being equivelent to about 100mg of IV morphine.

But what about AMF ??? ( alpha methyl-fentanyl ) SWIM has heard that it is only 2x as strong as Fentanyl HCL ( 200x Morphine ) from some sources, and also that it is 10x as strong as Fentanyl HCL ( 1000x Morphine ) from other sources.

Which one is correct ???

SWIM would really appreciate it if some of you could shed some light on this subject, as the small amount of information SWIM has found, does not seem to point to an appropriate conclusion.

If anyone has any information on the potency of AMF ( alpha methyl fentanyl ) Please post with any info you might have. Swim would very greatly appreciate the help. Thanks in advance !!

cadillac555 added 980 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

If no one knows the answer to this question, could they point swim to a link in the right direction for some informative information. Thanks !!!

[cadillac555]

Come on guys, someone out there has to have some info on this !!! I really need your help here people. Any information would be extremely helpful. Thanks

[car-ramrod]

Fentanyl and its analogues carry tremendous potency. From what I hear alphamethylfent is actually the most euphoric of all of them. Carfent gets up to 10,000x morphine. Theres another analogue of ohmefent thats 17,958x morphine. You would be taking nanogram doses. Im talking bumps that you cant even see with a magnifying glass. Etorphine also seems to be far up there but not the level of fent analogues.

[Phentasies]

Originally Posted by car-ramrod

Fentanyl and its analogues carry tremendous potency. From what I hear alphamethylfent is actually the most euphoric of all of them. Carfent gets up to 10,000x morphine. Theres another analogue of ohmefent thats 17,958x morphine. You would be taking nanogram doses. Im talking bumps that you cant even see with a magnifying glass. Etorphine also seems to be far up there but not the level of fent analogues.

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[cadillac555]

Originally Posted by car-ramrod

Fentanyl and its analogues carry tremendous potency. From what I hear alphamethylfent is actually the most euphoric of all of them. Carfent gets up to 10,000x morphine. Theres another analogue of ohmefent thats 17,958x morphine. You would be taking nanogram doses. Im talking bumps that you cant even see with a magnifying glass. Etorphine also seems to be far up there but not the level of fent analogues.

Thanks but the analog SWIM was looking for info on was AMF ( alpha-methyl-fentanyl )
either its potency compared to morphine or compared to regular Fentanyl HCL Thanks in advance my friend

[car-ramrod]

I hear that its not quite the potentcy of fent. Like 1.5x less potent. But I would not know, youd have to talk to phentasies hes definitely one of the smartest freaking people on this site if not the smartest.

[Laudaphun]

Originally Posted by cadillac555

Ok SWIM knows from his experience that Fentanyl Hcl is about 100 times as potent as morphine, with 1mg of IV fentanyl being equivelent to about 100mg of IV morphine.

But what about AMF ??? ( alpha methyl-fentanyl ) SWIM has heard that it is only 2x as strong as Fentanyl HCL ( 200x Morphine ) from some sources, and also that it is 10x as strong as Fentanyl HCL ( 1000x Morphine ) from other sources.

Which one is correct ???

SWIM would really appreciate it if some of you could shed some light on this subject, as the small amount of information SWIM has found, does not seem to point to an appropriate conclusion.

If anyone has any information on the potency of AMF ( alpha methyl fentanyl ) Please post with any info you might have. Swim would very greatly appreciate the help. Thanks in advance !!

cadillac555 added 980 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

If no one knows the answer to this question, could they point swim to a link in the right direction for some informative information. Thanks !!!

People need to be careful when using conversion calculations as much reference material is referring to the analgesic equivalency, and not other effects. That doesn't necessarily mean that you can equate other effects such as respiratory depression and other causes of death based on analgesic equivalency. 1mg fentanyl does not sound like a safe dose at all. Fentanyl is quite short-acting in comparison with morphine so SWIM certainly wouldn't put her life on the line based on trusting analgesic equivalency. For example, heroin (diacetylmorphine) is 2-3 times more potent than morphine but the difference between the therapeutic dose and the toxic level is quite a bit more narrow for heroin than it is morphine. The strongest fentanyl patches SWIM is aware of is 100mcg meant to be absorbed transdermally over a 72 hour period with a bioavailability that is quite high I believe. SWIM can't imagine 1mg I.V. fentanyl would be safe for even those who are quite opiate tolerant... as a matter of fact I know it would be far more lethal than 100mg morphine. Not that 100mg morphine I.V. should be considered safe.

[ergoamide]

AMF is more potent than plain fentanyl I'm pretty sure it is about 3x more so but i would start on the fact it was 10x more and work dose up from there until desired effect is reached. 1mg fent iv is not quite equal to 100mg it is a bit more the doseage calculators also factor in length of effect when calculating those doses. However for an opiate tolerant person 1mg iv fent is a common and average dose however first time users of fent with a tolerance should start of at 200mcg to be safe and opiate niave people should start at 50mcg as it's not likely these doses will do anything let alone be too much. the 100mcg patch is 100mcg every hour just to clear it up some people may think it means 100mcg in total when its actually about 8.4mg (i think) in total on the patch although not all that gets used in te 72hrs. and 100mg iv morphine for someone with opiate tolerance is a small dose but for anyone without tolerance instant death.

ergo