Nitrous use after Opiates

[FarDownSouth]

SWIM has been around drugs most of his life. Opiates have always been the holy grail and addictions have been battled.

Over the years, SWIM tried nitrous and liked it but it was nothing big. I had no problem walking away from them. In fact, last year, I bought a case just b/c a friend wanted to get rid of them and over the year I did a grand total of 20 Whippits the whole time.

This December, I went C/T removing a very large opiate primate off of my back (thank God for Kratom). I was sick for a few days but have a flexible job and was able to just bite the bullet. Toward the end of the W/D, I went in and used some of the whippets mentioned in the previous paragraph. I found them immensely enjoyable. So I started doign them more and more and before long, found myself doing two boxes in a day at times.

Since then, I've really started using them very heavily (I'm very aware of the B12 issue and to the extent I can, have been 'safe' about it). But it's starting to take over my life and I'm running myself broke doing them. I think about them all the time and b/c there's a shop around the corner from my office, I can sneak out and grab them in not time.

The money is starting to get really ridiculous b/c they are pricey. The affinity I have for them now is really strong and it's discomforting. At first I thought I was essentially 'trading addictions' in the psychological sense... after all, I've been around these for years and never had this affinity for them. Then I started researching them and realized they affect many of the same receptors that opiates hit. It stated to click.

The real telling thing was w/ the Kratom though. If I take a large dose of Kratom before using the Whippets, the effect is dramatically minized. In fact, last week I felt like 'nothing was happening' w/ the nitrous after taking a large dose of Kratom. I've done this drill enough that I'm confident it's not the placebo effect.

Nitrous isn't physically addictive but damn, psychologically, I get an itch for it and it's stronger than anything I can remember with opiates.

Has anyone else experienced this? I simply can't keep spending the money on these things so I need to quit - does anyone have any suggestions on how to quit?

TIA!

[geezaman]

Its no secret that SWIM loves nitrous, and the most painful aspect of this love is the realisation of how much money has been spent on it.

Obviously getting into a habit of using a box or 2 each day is a bit of a problem.

SWIM is intrigued about how exactly SWIY is using them, Is he using them with balloons and a proper cream dispenser/ cracker?

If so is SWIY loading a few up at once and then going through them Or just doing one, and then on coming down doing another, and then another etc. SWIMs not sure if he has explained the difference very well there.

SWIM does not know if SWIY enjoys any other drugs, if they do not (due to SWIYs past troubles) SWIM does not want to encourage further use. However if they do, trying nitrous with other rugs may be the way out of daily nitrous use.

Basically nitrous is an amazing experience on its own but very short,

Mix it with beer or cannabis and it become a bit more intense and lasts a bit longer
Mix it with both beer and cannabis and it increases quite a bit (more than with either alone)
Mix it with E / MDMA or Ketamine and be prepared for a completely different much deeper and stronger nitrous experience.

Where SWIM is going with this is that before SWIM would happily get through a 10-15 nitrous caps a day if he had them, But now he knows how much better it is when mixed with other things, (and it really is better) he is happy to save it until he has a night off and can have a bit of a party.
If he even considered doing it while sober he would now quickly choose not to, knowing how much better it would be while otherwise intoxicated

Of course where as a nitrous cap on its own gets someone high for no more than a few minutes and so can be fitted into life easily. Being drunk or stoned, and moreso for experiencing E/MDMA or Ketamine needs to be planned and have a period of time set aside, due to this the nitrous use goes from a daily use thing, to for SWIM at least something he now does once a month.

Another way (SWIM has just realised) of potentially overpowering the nitrous itch would be (if SWIY is not already) to fill balloons up, say 6 at a time using the caps/whippets/nangs/chargers to bung the end of the balloon. then get comfy and go through them quickly. Its likely that 6 balloons done like this could knock SWIY out. When SWIM regains consciousness after KOing on nitrous he usually does not feel like doing any more.

Please be cautious in SWIYs nitrous use, the above options are the best that SWIM can think of for SWIYs individual situation. It would seem that SWIY my have an addictive personality and the convenience of acquiring nitrous, and then that killer urge to do more after the first one is causing SWIY problems.

If SWIY takes either of the above advice's please only continue with them if they work to achieve SWIYs aim or reducing their nitrous use, If they dont then stop them as they are only adding to SWIYs problems.

Saying that SWIM knows no one in RL who has not happily traded regular nitrous use for very irregular nitrous use in combination with other substances.

Very well done on getting rid of that primate If that primate ever finds SWIY again, they must stop nitrous use as it is a respiratory depressant and in addition to the primate could be extremely bad.

Peace
Geezaman

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Very informative and well thought out.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

For SWIYS that find themselves overusing nitrous to the point where buying whippits is causing them financial ruin, SWIYS should really look into acquiring a tank. SWIM knows this is not the easiest thing to get, but nosing around in hippie or raver circles could theoretically locate SWIY one if SWIY sticks with it. Then the issue become locating a place that will fill SWIYs tank without asking questions or demanding to see a catering or medical license. Fortunately, these places do exist, although SWIY sure as fuck isn't telling where they are.

A good person to ask would probably be the person SWIY got the tank from. Of course, some nitrous operations are set up that they will fill tanks for people that are not legitimate caterers/dentists etc, but only for certain people that they have built up business relations with over the years. Again, here your original soutce may be willing to help, they may take your tank to be filled for you for a small fee in addition to what the shop charges.

Since nitrous is such a legal grey area, most of these shops manage to stay in business by the hair of their scrotum, so discretion is the word of the day, as it is not illegal for the shops to fill tanks, but they are only supposed to do it for people with the proper licensure.
Interestingly, nitrous is not illegal federally, so in some states, possession of a full tank will only earn SWIY a citation for "improper transporttion of a non-flammable gas" (akin to being charged for keeping a propane tank in the back seat of SWIYs car instead of secured in the back of a pickup), whereas in other states (ie: Florida), they will fuck SWIY and fuck SWIY good and hard.

SWIM knows he is rambing a bit, he recently partook of 60 mgs of adderall, but this is valuable information for true nitrous heads. When acquiring said tank, it is best to try not to get a blue one with the nitrous oxide sticker on it, as these are the medical grade tanks, and possession by anyone unlicensed will be considered possession of stolen property, in any state. Far better are the unlabeled brown and green ones, as they could concievably be passed off as helium, oxygen, etc. Also, if SWIY is planning a nitrous party, the tank and the balloons should travel in separate cars, as possession of a tank with balloons close by is considered intent to use as an inhalent, or in some states even intent to distribute.

This all may seem like a lot of hassle to go through, and SWIM won't lie, it is, but once all the necessary hookups are made, using nitrous in this manner is MUCH more cost efficient. The tank itself is inevitably the most expensive item, and SWIM knows price discussion is not allowed, but vague comparisons are.....the cost of filling a 20 to 30 pound tank is usually about the equivalent of the cost of a dozen boxes of whippits, and the tank will yield approx. 300 to 500 full 12 inch balloons, whereas the whippits will yield maybe 100 3/4 full balloons.

Finally SWIM will stress not to buy any automotive grade tanks. Not only is the gas useless for anything but car racing, even the most corrupt nitrous shops will not refill them once emptied, as they are permanently contaminated with sulfur.

Finally, using in this manner will actually cut down on SWIYs use, as planning a nitrous tank party is an event, whereas picking up a few whippits is an easy way to kill a slow Monday.

Hope this was a helpful primer.

[FarDownSouth]

Both of you have done me a huge favor - SWIM mean huge. After reading this, SWIM realized that I was doing one and waiting unintentionally another minute each time. So I was constantly on the lower edge where SWIM wanted more but never enough to really feel much. It was just a way to cure boredome and I suffer from that majorly.

So SWIM makde a point of doing a hit every 30 seconds. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't keep it up for more than 2 minutes - i'd get distracted or something. But man, SWIM really felt it. And felt it something fierce. No urge to run out and get more. None of that. Yes, it's clearly something SWIM will do only occassionally now but do it right - not just constantly driving themselves into an obsessive compulsive insanity trying to go more.

It was crazy but man, SWIM can't begin to tell you how much of a difference this made and it's totally killed the minor urges.

many many thanks!

[10001110101]

yeah swiy was trading one addiction for another.

addiction is more complicated than this but a simple way of putting it is:

first the direct action of the drug has to be overcome (physical addiction, withdrawal)

then the indirect effect on your reward pathways has to be overcome (dopamine flow from ventral tegmental area to nucleus accumbens) (psychological addiction, cravings and drug seeking-behavior)

so once you get through WD, which is usually short and completely reversible you get to the "heart" of the addiction, which really has nothing to do with physical symptoms, it has to do with your "love" of the drug, or your "need" for it. multiple pathways can produce similar stimulation of the VTA to NA dopamine transmission, this is why you can get off coke on to heroin, etc. via different pathways they both produce the same result, even cannabis, tobacco, and nicotine do this, they stimulate the flow of DA from the VTA to the NA causing deep feelings of "finding what you've been looking for". food causes this too, in fact it's the basis for all our basic drives such as hunger sex thirst pain aversion etc.

so at the critical point in which your NA was completely craving opiates, N2O stepped up to the plate and at least partially or wholly filled the gap