Opinions - Alternative to E for raves.

[Pilllzz]

My cat wondered -

I love raves. Everything about them the people the music ect. I love rolling also but I keep it to once every 3 months. I have tried coke but I dont get any feeling out of it and Im worried about addiction issues and just dont like it all around. I am looking for an alternative drug or combination I can take inbetween my 3 months.


Im thinking 40 Mg Adderall and a lot of weed and maybe caffiene?

Maybe to gittery?

Any other drugs that wont be as bad for you as E because we all know you shouldnt roll once every few weeks.

Any other suggestions? I want to stay hyper and into the people

[dadrone]

Please read rules about self-incrimination. It's for the safety of SWIY (someone who isn't you) and maintaining the board's as a whole.

Good luck but can't help an admitted future user. There are, however, many threads that talk about alternatives to E.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Some1 Who Aint Me has never tried ecstacy but has acheived an amazing body high/sensation that can only be described as a feeling of ecstacy on shrooms.

SWAM isn't really a big fan of doing a whole eighth and tripping hard unless its like once a year for spiritual purposes, but SWIM frequently (maybe 2 or 3 times every few months) uses 1 gram (very strong shrooms) of shrooms as a recreational dose for social situations (dances, parties, social gatherings) & feels the dose produces a very "ecstacy" like high especially when in combination with small doses of opiates, amphetamines, or benzodiazapines.

Read the rules b4 posting

[BrainMelt]

Swim finds that GHB, meth and K are all good for that kind of scene. K is not social, but its fun for dancing and bugging out in a dark club with all the lasers and music going. GHB is like a perfect replacement for E or alcohol, but its highly addictive and extremely easy to pass out if you just take one too many caps. Meth is great for socializing and being really "in the moment", but its also addictive as hell.

Swim is kinda in the same situation as you are. He plans his rolls atleast a month apart nowadays(more like 2-3 months apart actually, but that will surely increase over the summer). GHB and Meth are swims prefered choice for the parties where he doesn't wanna roll.

[Readux]

If SWIY wants a MDMA like high, 2C-B can cause euphoria and similar feelings to MDMA.

[Pilllzz]

OK my cat was wondering about that. swim isnt going to start meth use or shrooms. swims not to into to tripping. swim thinks the idea of seeing things that are not actually there scare him. Swim also is worried very much about having a bad trip which happens to him with weed occasionally. Swim is interested in GHB and 2C-B. Swim has no idea where he could get that? Would a dealer who have hundreds of connects probably know about those 2 drugs. Swim isnt sure. What does 2C-B do and is it as bad as E or meth herion ect. I am looking for something on the weed level or just above that. something I could do every few weeks without negative affects in the future.

Pilllzz added 0 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

edit*. Swim would look for somethign on the weed level and my cat was wondering if it would be dangerous to do every few weeks

[Readux]

2C-B also acts on the serotonin receptors, just not as much as MDMA, tolerance usually is relatively gone by two weeks. 2C-B is a nice area to start with OEVs, on normal doses there are no true hallucinations, just changes in perception such as breathing walls, expanding rooms, patterns on everything, changes in colors, 3 dimensional objects that are actually 2 dimensional etc. 2C-B is not physically addictive and has little negative effects besides a little nausea with some people. Meth/heroin is much more likely to cause damage in the long run. SWIM believes if used responsibly, like every 3 weeks, and sometimes taking a month or two break is reasonable.

[Pilllzz]

thats the response Swim was looking for. Ok so SWIY believes that 2C-B has less negative effects in the long run than E? Does Swim now about any long term negative effects? swiy describes it as a less intense E high? Swim likes very much.

Any more info on healthier alternatives to E appreciated.

[aerozeppelin123]

SWIM would agree in that 2C-B makes a very nice alternative to MDMA and certainly doesn't feel as hard on the body. However I think it's important to realise that we know virtually nothing on its long term effects, so if someone is going to take it they have to acknowledge that they're taking a step into the unknown. Nobody can tell you whether it has negative long term effects or not for sure, because even experts in the field don't know.

If SWIY accepts that though and can manage to get a hold of 2C-B then SWIM would say that's a good choice. SWIM has also found low dose LSD very nice indeed for rave/club type places, it lasts the whole night, the music and lights seem sharper and more enjoyable, and physically it's virtually non-toxic. LSD would probably be easier to get hold of than 2C-B but you have to only take a little bit (like half a tab) otherwise things get a bit overwhelming and you just want to go somewhere quieter (at least that's what SWIM finds).

That's just SWIM's experience though, SWIY may not react the same way so can't say for sure what's a good idea or not. SWIY has to decide that for himself!

[Readux]

In SWIMs opinion, 2C-B does have less change of neurotoxicity and depression after rolling. But 2C-B isn't as well documented as MDMA and there isn't much about long term negative effects, however there still aren't any reports of any negative side effects. The high from MDMA is euphoric, while 2C-B is less euphoric and more visual. MBDB is also known as a watered down version of MDMA, as it is a little less euphoric and less of a rush, also it lasts shorter than MDMA and is less toxic.

[Pilllzz]

SWIM would be willing to try 2C-B but he is worried about long term effects. Can anyone ellaborate on what it does chemically? serotonin involved? anyone who has a lot of expierence with it. Swim looked at GHB and it seems cool but dangerous due to dosing.


Anything else. What bout my cats idea with adderall caffiene and weed

[RaverHippie]

adderall + caffeine sounds like a waste tbh. Also my raver friend would recommend not knocking tripping without trying it. From the way SWIY described tripping it is easy to see SWIY has had little experience. There are not true hallucinations while tripping just extra visual effects that make everything more interesting to look at: this is what 2C-B will do anyways. My raver friend would suggest browsing around the phenethylamine research chemical forum as most of what you will find in there will be very hospitable to a rave environment.

As far as your question about long term effects: no one knows. These are chemicals designed in clandestine labs which never undergo FDA or other regulatory procedures so proper documentation and long term studies have never been done due to the illegality of the substances. There is good news: these chemicals have been taken by a very large number of people for the past thirty years or so and if there were potentially severe negative effects associated with their use it would be known already. And with all the information from all those trip reports and experiences there is no report of permanent damage from something like 2C-B .

[expertergaz]

swim use to take 2cb pillz and they were amazing it was like mild trippin but swim wasnt so anti social when on 2cb (then when on shrooms or lsd) swim also use get a gwd rushing feeling off them! when swim was younger and didn't take any illegal drugs caffiene pillz use to be all the rage!

[elementality0x]

2C-E or Mescaline would be great too, although my pet cat would preferably mix MDMA with the 2C-E to feel that bass flowing through him. Mescaline is amazing on it's own, and comes with an amazing body fry so MDMA would just be a cherry on top if adding it with that. Like others above said, K is something that would be really fun to dance on and lights become amazing as well, but it is a dissociative so swiy has to keep that in mind when deciding whether or not they'd wanna do it at a rave.

[Shiacmkmleer]

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The shorter duration makes it great for raves where things can get busted up or when one wants more control of how long one will be "rolling".
I'd make sure you have friends around though. SWIS looses control a bit with that stuff.
Also SWIS would echo meth, great for dancing, great for staying up late (perhaps a little too late) and great for socializing

[caltrain208]

2C-E or Mescaline would be great too, although my pet cat would preferably mix MDMA with the 2C-E to feel that bass flowing through him. Mescaline is amazing on it's own, and comes with an amazing body fry so MDMA would just be a cherry on top if adding it with that.

Mescaline at a rave? SWIM has given this considerable thought and is planning to give it a try sometime soonish. He believes it could be very fun to be surrounded by so much excitement and visual stimulation, and raves are also very drug-friendly.

However, when SWIM has taken mescaline on its own the experience has been very spiritual, focused, and deeply personal. When SWIM is on mescaline, he feels as if he is a child again and all he wants to do is be surrounded by nature. The trip is full of important realizations about SWIM's life and positive changes (to his health, drug use, spirituality, attitude, ect.) usually follow a good experience.

SWIM has often felt mescaline would be too introspective and deep to use in a rave, but being a psychedelic, the experience can change dramatically each time. For instance, when SWIM has taken mescaline with friends in the past (along with a lot of weed) the trip is full of laughter and excitement, with much less of a deep spiritual feeling (although it's still definitely there).

Oh, and mescaline (even pure mescaline) usually causes a small amount of nausea, although SWIM has found weed to counteract this significantly.

All things considered, mescaline may just be awesome at a rave if SWIY knows (as much as he can) what to expect, is with friends tripping (or is alright tripping alone) and SWIY feels safe. So do SWIY's research, stay safe, and have an exciting time!

(SWIM forgot to mention that mescaline can be sourced legally and cheaply in most areas.)

[elementality0x]

Originally Posted by caltrain208

Mescaline at a rave? SWIM has given this considerable thought and is planning to give it a try sometime soonish. He believes it could be very fun to be surrounded by so much excitement and visual stimulation, and raves are also very drug-friendly.

However, when SWIM has taken mescaline on its own the experience has been very spiritual, focused, and deeply personal. When SWIM is on mescaline, he feels as if he is a child again and all he wants to do is be surrounded by nature. The trip is full of important realizations about SWIM's life and positive changes (to his health, drug use, spirituality, attitude, ect.) usually follow a good experience.

SWIM has often felt mescaline would be too introspective and deep to use in a rave, but being a psychedelic, the experience can change dramatically each time. For instance, when SWIM has taken mescaline with friends in the past (along with a lot of weed) the trip is full of laughter and excitement, with much less of a deep spiritual feeling (although it's still definitely there).

Oh, and mescaline (even pure mescaline) usually causes a small amount of nausea, although SWIM has found weed to counteract this significantly.

Set and setting play a huge roll in where my pet cat's experiences take him, with any drug. Taking mescaline at a rave is a completely different experience (mindset and thought process-wise) than taking mescaline and walking through a park while talking to friends and getting the more spiritual aspects of it.

If swiy is considering taking mescaline at a rave soon, think about mixing it with some ecstasy. After all, it is a rave. It's always great to feel the bass!

As for the nausea, try drinking some ginger ale or eating anything with ginger.

[RaverHippie]

My raver friend has an extravagant fondness for his time spent on mescaline at a rave. Great mix while rolling.

[brettoner]

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[EscapeDummy]

Swim's friend has always enjoyed going to raves on LSD. Swim cannot say how the experience is, though, he hasn't tried it.

[Vonn]

Hi there,

My pet cat was in a similar situation a few months back, didn't want to use e too often but couldn't find a decent substitute because her connections were quite limited.

She has found that party pills may be the way to go, not that they aren't dangerous in themselves, but since they are (mostly) legal in most countries its a little less risky. Similar effects to e if swiy can get the right ones, lovey, music-enhancing, cant-stop-dancing feelings with little to no hangover.

Just a different suggestion, although mescaline sounds pretty awesome

Vonn

[elementality0x]

Which legal e products and did swiy use that she found to be the best?

[Vonn]

Originally Posted by elementality0x

Which legal e products and did swiy use that she found to be the best?

My puppy has tried all of the ones on the market that are legal in Australia, and depending on what you are looking for, the best being either Diablo's or Giggles. You can read more about these in the herbal exctacy forum.

Vonn

[latac]

SWIM recommends 4fa for parties, MDPV (max 30mg per party) is okay too...
SWIM must add that he never tried E before, but these are the best alternatives currently available (from time to time) still for waiting MDMA...

[port 21]

Headshops in swim area sell legal alternatives to mdma. Pills such as LU Doves, Summer Daze etc can all be bought legally, and produce a similar effect (almost no comedown assuming one drinks enough water).

Although just because theyre legally, doesnt necessarily mean theyre safe, be careful with whatever substance swiy uses.