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then I also found this on a question+answer site for someone asking the question of where to get the codeine syrup otc:
I don't know what the regulations are in Georgia, but federal regulations and the regulations of the commonwealth of Virginia allow cough syrups to be sold OTC with limited amounts of codeine in combination with other drugs. You are required to sign a log with your personal information to obtain the drug, but do not require a prescription.
Four states in the Union allow some C-V products to be sold with no RX. CIII codeine preps are federally RX only (so no chance of getting T2's or above from a discerning pharmacist.)The codeine/Prometh syrup is also federally RX only because of the Promethazine which is not an OTC ingredient, but I have heard of Cheratussin AC/ Robitussin AC being offered with no prescription in certain states. Usual conditions:behind the counter, only 1 purchase per month, photo ID, log entry, minimum age 18/21. (similar to PSE laws.)
New York is pretty strict on meds (eg the Triplicate script law on strong opiates and benzos, the Mandatory Generics law which forbids branded product dispensing without a DAW on the script) so it does not permit this AFAIK.
SWIM would also like to know which states do/don't allow this, as she's heard this many times but with no specific info as to WHERE this is legal. SWIM actually DOES have frequent chest colds/bronchitis and can't always afford a DR. visit, so this info could potentially help her...one thing she's NOT gonna do is walk up to a random pharmacist and ask for it without knowing the laws in her state.
In theory all states of the USA can legally offer this product. Only a few have banned all codeine sales without prescription (I do not know exactly which) but Tennessee, North Carolina, Washington, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisiana are known to carry it. Large pharma chains (CVS etc.) will not sell under any circumstances, old-fashioned family businesses possibly will. State laws require photo ID in some but not all of those jurisdictions.
Someone i know just recently found this information out and went to a pharmacy to attempt a purchase. He was successfull so he went to about 4 other pharmacys and purchased from each one. You just have to ask the pharmacist and sign a little log book thing. This person was in washington i believe.
Codeine is semi-legal if its under like 10mg/dose or somethin
The prescription-dispensing requirements of section 503(b)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act are not necessary for the protection of the public health with respect to a compound, mixture, or preparation containing not more than 200 milligrams of codeine per 100 milliliters or per 100 grams that also includes one or more nonnarcotic active medicinal ingredients in sufficient proportion to confer upon the compound, mixture, or preparation valuable medicinal qualities other than those possessed by codeine alone. "
Apparently in some states its perfectly legal. It is usually called Mytussion AC. Now in Texas, the drank capital of the world, all previous attempts, by swim more than a decade ago, were dismissed. Swim forgot that you could hop over to Mexico and recieve codeine cough syrup w/ephedra.
SmaLLtown added 1 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...
correction: Mytussin AC
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Called my local rite-aid they said required a prescription although the md state laws allow possesion of schedule 5's without one and im 100 certain of that. There is still one ma & pas type pharmacy in town so will try them next. I know now to 95% certantity its totally possible to buy codiene syrup otc in virginia, so we'll see
Swim lives in Georgia and while at a pharmacy today, asked the pharmacist about this.
She said that yes, cough medicine containing codeine can be purchased without a prescription in Georgia from behind the counter with a signature by an adult.
However, she said that the big chain stores, as a policy, won't sell it that way. One needs to go to an independent, or "Mom & Pop" type drug store to buy it, preferably ones regular drug store where they are used to seeing you come in occasionally and will recognize you. She said if they have never seen you before they may be reluctant to sell it to you.
So there you are.... at least in Georgia, the question is answered.
Swim knows a fish that has swam into their local mom and pop pharmacy and received a bottle of cough syrup with codeine. The fish just simply asked to get a bottle of cough syrup with codeine. The fish just simply had to sign a book and show ID. 1 minute later the fish was handed the bottle and out the door they swam.
It is definitely legal to buy small amounts of codeine cough syrup (4oz or less) OTC in Washington state where SWIM lives. That doesn't mean it is easy to find though. None of the larger pharmacy chains that SWIM have tried will do this including Rite Aid, Walgreens, Target, Safeway, Costco, and CVS. All of these pharmacists at these locations were polite but explained that while Washington state law allowed OTC sale of codeine cough syrup, that their company policy did not allow for it. Most of the time they said they didn't even have the proper log book that is required by law.
The best places to look are independent pharmacies which, unfortunately, are getting more and more rare. A lot of these places are happy to sell OTC codeine cough syrup and simply make you show ID and sign the log book. SWIM had almost given up on trying to find codeine syrup OTC, mostly because he is now prescribed 15 fentanyl patches every 30 days along with 60 5mg oxycodone and, as such, his tolerance is high enough that codeine is pretty much useless except for withdrawing. Unfortunately though SWIM was withdrawing a week ago so anything seemed worth a try. SWIM eventually just called all the pharmacies in the phone book and asked if they carried it and then went to all the places that said yes.
SWIM just got some today (hes on the east coast in the US) for bursitis of the elbow & running low on shitty tramadol & only got 2 5mg percocets (oxycodone) & 1 7.5 vicodin (hydrocodone). Please note before-hand he had no prescription nor a doctors reccomendation, just medical documentation of his injury.
SWIM went in to walmart at first at which the pharmacist politely realized his need for the medicine but was not allowed to dispense the drug without prescription due to store policy. He then explained that most if not all CVS larger 'brand name' pharmacies will not dispense it without a prescription. Swim was recommended to to a privately owned pharmacy and they actually hadnt had a request for the drug in 10 years according to the pharmacist although he did eventually give me a 4 oz 10mg codeine per 5ml in a syrup form with 100mg guafenisen/ 5ml. I think they are hesitent to dispense this stuff. Until the store owner/co-pharmacist intervened the origional pharmacist said he didnt think they had a log or even carried it.
I think you'd have a much harder time obtaining this syrup if you couldnt explain your pain and show some documentation (which SWIM had). Maybe he's wrong but he got some vibes that they were only willing to dispence it OTC because they need the business.
In SWIMs state it is legal to obtain one 4 oz bottle of codeine containing syrup per 48 hours. It is all up to the pharmacist though.
I wouldn't expect to just walk in there and ask for it without a good/legitamite reason and get it like that unless you were tight with the pharmacist i. e. he knows you have a condition/ your a regular.
Im not sure you'd want to tell your doc you do this though (drug seeker red flags; you know how shitty doctors are getting about narcotics)
I wish SWIM could just go back in 2 days and get more but he doubts they would happily do so again without hesitation.
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Swim thinks this was a very bad idea. If those logbooks are entered into a database, swiy could have lots of explaining to do and this could even cause problems with his legitimate scripts.
Yeah SWIM definitely left out the part about waiting 48 hours between going to each place (it is legal in WA to get 1 4oz bottle every 48 hours). Getting a bunch of it on the same day from a bunch of different places would certainly be a bad idea.
Swim is in KY and buys bottles of Robotussin AC over the counter at his local small town, mom & pop pharmacy. The law in KY is that preparations with codeine (in a certain amount and combined with 1 or more non-narcotic active ingredient) are legal to purchase otc, no more than once every 48 hrs and at the pharmacists descresion.
Swim does this rarely. It's not worth it for him really. He calculated the total codeine in one bottle and it's only like 200 or so mgs. Actaully he thinks it was close to 230 but won't swear to it. It was 10 mg. codiene per 5 ml. and 100 mg. guafesin (sp??!!) per 5 ml. Not that much codiene and a ton of guafesin. The latter of which causes nausea and diarreah when the codeine wears off for swim.
Also, it is totally at the pharmacists descresion. If they think you might walk out the door and chug the bottle, they'll simply tell you they don't carry it. As has been stated already, big chain stores don't carry it. It's the small mom and pop's that do and most of them don't.
And where swim is, it seems to be a bit of a well kept secret. Most people have no idea about it. This is good because if it was well known, every Lortab junkie would run to the pharmacy to buy a bottle when they ran out of pills and the pharmacy would stop carrying it. Swim glances at the log book when he buys it and usually it hasn't been bought in months and occasionally, swim was in fact the last one to buy it!
A search of your state's drug laws will tell you if you can legally buy it otc or not.
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§ 54.1-3416. No prescription for preparations listed pursuant to Schedule V.
A preparation listed pursuant to Schedule V may be dispensed without a prescription if:
1. The preparation is dispensed only by a pharmacist directly to the person requesting the preparation;
2. The preparation is dispensed only to a person who is at least eighteen years of age;
3. The pharmacist requires the person requesting the preparation to furnish suitable identification including proof of age when appropriate;
4. The pharmacist does not dispense to any one person, or for the use of any one person or animal, any narcotic drug preparation or preparations, when he knows, or can by reasonable diligence ascertain, that such dispensing will provide the person to whom or for whose use, or the owner of the animal for the use of which, such preparation is dispensed, within 48 consecutive hours, with more than 200 milligrams of opium, or more than 270 milligrams of codeine, or more than 130 milligrams of dihydrocodeinone, or more than 65 milligrams of ethylmorphine, or more than 32 5/10 milligrams of diphenoxylate. In dispensing such a narcotic drug preparation, the pharmacist shall exercise professional discretion to ensure that the preparation is being dispensed for medical purposes only.
Any pharmacist shall, at the time of dispensing, make and keep a record showing the date of dispensing, the name and quantity of the preparation, the name and address of the person to whom the preparation is dispensed, and enter his initials thereon. Such records shall be maintained as set forth in § 54.1-3404 and the regulations of the Board.
(1970, c. 650, § 54-524.75; 1972, c. 798; 1988, c. 765.)
Re: Buying codeine cough syrup in the US
so can we get someone with personal experience to write a 'theoretical' overview of the way they approached the pharmacist asking for said medicine.
I assume saying "hey man, ive been shooting dope and am mad sick, can i get some sizzzurp?" will not get the product
is it better to ask for a specific product (aka Mytussin AC) or just for general cough medicine? any way, thanks if anyone can answer
Note: Swim has only bought this stuff when he was sick and needed it.
Well, when swim gets sick with a bad chest cough (usually brought on by boredom or depression), swim would go to his pharamcist and simply ask for cough syurp with codeine. That's exactly what he said, "Can swiI get a bottle of the codeine cough syrup?". They looked for it and got it for swim and it wasn't a problem. Swim has bought it maybe 5-6 times. Once, swim was asked by one of the techs what he needed it for, she was new (atleast swim never saw her before), young (swim's age-ish), and seemed nervous about the whole thing. Swim just calmly told her he had a bad cough that was keeping him up a night. That was that.
Swim doesn't recomend doing this without finding out if your state allows it or not. You will probably look very suspicious if you walk into your pharm. and ask for codeine if it's not otc in your state. Also, if you look like a "drugie" (we all know what swim means) they might be suspicious of your intentions. Look presentable and be polite. Otherwise, the pharmacist will suspect you want to abuse the syrup and not sell it to you.
I am in NYC and im dying to get my hands on some prometh w/ codeine. I'm going to try going to the walk-in clinic at duane reade and try my luck....wish my luck!
Last time I got the prometh without codiene, but i had my own opiates so it was GREAT =) This time im gonna complain i need my codeine...im gunna bring my advair and hopefully that will convince them lol