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Old 15-03-2009, 17:04
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Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

SWIM has gone to 2 different doctors for his past 2 prescriptions, and intends to go to a third doctor next month (since the last doctor basically said he's only giving the refill once, and he won't do it again since he basically started giving swim the full drug seeker treatment as soon as he knew what swim wanted).

SWIM has been waiting 30 days from his last fill date to the next dr's visit, but is concerned that he's getting hydrocodone from a different dr every month. Is this likely to be a problem? swim's still in the process of finding a "cool" doctor who won't mind giving 30 7.5mg hydrocodone each month.

SWIM doesn't know how long it'll take to find a 'hookup' doc, but is wondering will he get in trouble for going to a bunch of different doctors as long as he's not filling it more then once a month.
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Old 15-03-2009, 20:54
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

SWIM doesn't think that the problem would be going to see the different doctors. What could and most likely would get SWIY in trouble would be if SWIY got a few scripts from the different doctors and filled them. It might look strange also if the first script is from one doctor then the next is from a different doctor from a different office and so on. If doctor shipping, SWIM would try to get something more worth it that 7.5mg hydrocodones.
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Old 15-03-2009, 21:32
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

That's why swim is being very careful about the timing of the doctor's visits.

swim doesn't intend to push the pills, and doesn't mind doing the effort for a CWE, and likes hydrocodone more then oxycodone, so it's hard to get something more worthwhile then 7.5mg hydrocodones (maybe except 10mg hydrocodones, but swim chose 7.5 just because it's NOT the highest dose). Maybe if swim finds a cool doctor he'll get it changed to a 10mg norco. (first script was for 7.5/500, second one was supposed to be the same but the doc probably didn't know the different combos and wrote it for Vicodin ES (7.5/750), but he already wrote it and handed it to swim so swim wasn't about to argue about something he's going to filter out anyway)

swim knows it looks strange.. just wanted to make sure it's not something that'll land swim in hot water
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Old 15-03-2009, 21:40
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

Don't go to the same pharmacy, SWIM would worry about that more than different docs. A pharmacy is going to catch on REAL quick.
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Old 15-03-2009, 23:02
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

SWIM isn't worried about the pharmacist catching on. The pharmacist probably thinks that swim's a druggie by now anyway. This is NYC, one time the guy standing in line in front of swim was there to buy a syringe.. and was 50c short to get it (they gave it to him though anyway). Wonder what he's going to do with that once he leaves? Pharmacists here pretty much mind their own business unless they think they're going to get in trouble by filling a script.

swim's worried about catching shit from the dea.
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Old 15-03-2009, 23:09
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

the DEA has a database of all prescriptions and if they catch you doctor schopping you will be blacklisted and i can assure you you wont be getting prescribed narcotics for long. thats the exent of what the dea will to to u they wnt try to prosectue you for gettin your hydro fix.
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Old 15-03-2009, 23:20
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

but the dea won't care if someone's only getting 1 script / month, even if it's from different docs right?
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Old 16-03-2009, 00:01
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

Is doc shopping even illegal? I recall reading it isn't illegal but u may get flagged as an addict for doing it
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Old 16-03-2009, 00:19
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

Dr shopping is generally understood to mean that one is getting multiple scripts from multiple doctors at the same time. You pay doctors for a service and their opinion on treatment, if you disagree with the doctors course of action you have every right to find a doctor who you agree with. If they ask about what scripts youre currently taking and you lie about the medication then you might get in some trouble but there is nothing wrong with finding a doctor who agrees with swiyour assesment that swiy should be on narcotics.

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Old 16-03-2009, 02:04
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

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Don't go to the same pharmacy, SWIM would worry about that more than different docs. A pharmacy is going to catch on REAL quick.

Was just informed by my Doctor to always use same pharmacy as they instituting a statewide/possible nation wide database w/ your social detailing all scripts,dates, and docs. F$%^ing Nazi's. Her words, not mine. I live in one of only a few states that have a BNDD, Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. They raid Dr offices and search files, you name it they do it. They are like the DEA x100.



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Old 16-03-2009, 02:10
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

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Was just informed by my Doctor to always use same pharmacy as they instituting a statewide/possible nation wide database w/ your social detailing all scripts,dates, and docs. F$%^ing Nazi's. Her words, not mine. I live in one of only a few states that have a BNDD, Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. They raid Dr offices and search files, you name it they do it. They are like the DEA x100.



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This is one of the reasons swim uses the same pharmacy most of the time. Not only is it convinient, but swim figures that if some authority agency is getting a hold of all swim's scripts, he'll look more suspicious going to diff doctors AND diff pharmacies.

Besides, it's not the pharmacist's problem if swim ODs and dies and he filled the rx correctly (unless it's an obvious forged rx).

Though one thing is that swim got the hydrocodone and temazepam filled within a week of each other (same pharmacy, same pharmacist).. both with directions to take one at bedtime.. swim's surprised the pharmacist didn't give a warning about that fatal drug interaction... but again.. swim thinks the pharmacist thinks he's a druggie.. so why warn him, he prob already knows better.

But either way.. this is why swim checks up on the legit meds he's prescribed on his own.. and does not rely on the doctor or pharmacist to avoid bad interactions.


Btw.. what are all the states that have the BNDD?
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Old 16-03-2009, 05:36
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

Not sure, I think only 4? Missouri definitely one though. Recently a local Dr had her licensed pulled supposedly for either sloppy record keeping, not paying them on time, or because someone she wrote a script of Oxycontin sold it to a kid who OD'd. The OD thing did happen but how was that the Dr'd fault. Anyway that was about an hour from here in a tiny town called booneville, look it up on google, her name was Dr. Akirme, pretty sure that's how it was spelled. The clinic was called Dancing Horizons. Should be able to google that and thew bndd to get the info.
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Old 16-03-2009, 23:22
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

SWIM had no idea! She hasn't really delved into this arena to know much, but was told by some friends that do this kind of thing not to use the same pharmacy. She's in the south, maybe this BNDD doesn't exist here yet. Interesting and not surprising unfortunately!
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Old 17-03-2009, 00:16
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

if your friends are dr shopping (multiple doctors vs drug seeking which swim considers to be just one doctor), then they do need to use different pharmacies. If swim's only getting it filled once a month swim should prob use the same pharmacy.
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Old 17-03-2009, 01:34
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

dea has bigger fish to fry, dont worry
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

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Dr shopping is generally understood to mean that one is getting multiple scripts from multiple doctors at the same time. You pay doctors for a service and their opinion on treatment, if you disagree with the doctors course of action you have every right to find a doctor who you agree with. If they ask about what scripts youre currently taking and you lie about the medication then you might get in some trouble but there is nothing wrong with finding a doctor who agrees with swiyour assesment that swiy should be on narcotics.
SWIM was under the impression that "double-dipping" was slang for getting 2 narcotic prescriptions from different doctors at the same time. Such as if you go to the dentist and get a bottle of pain pills for a 1 week time period and fail to tell your dentist about your montly bottle of whatever other painkiller you get from a different doctor. Lots of people have lost there prescriptions this way... over silly things. And it happens really easy, and far more common than you might think. One time SWIM was sitting in the waiting room and the nurse was yelling at a lady that she had signed a narcotics agreement and had narcotics filled elsewhere which breached the agreement and the dr. would not give her any more narcotics. In another situation, a much older friend, totally inocently had a script for oxy's (oxycodone) and called her family dr. about something and he called her in a script for darvocet (propoxyphene/APAP)... Unknowingly the dr. called her up and told her that if she ever did that again he would refuse her as a patient. In a case like this, if you inform the dr. you are currently taking a narcotic from another dr. then it is different. Basically, it just seems to be opiate + opiate combinations that get people in trouble... opiates are watched very closely.

And SWIM's interpretation of Dr. Shopping is going to one dr. after another until you find one that will give you want you want, essentially you are "shopping for a dr." However, in this case you are entitled to a 2nd opinion or perhaps even a 3rd. But after so many "2nd opinions" you will get flagged as a drug-seeker, or worse.
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Old 17-03-2009, 02:10
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

yes, swim wants to find a doctor who agrees with him. swim refuses to accept any opinion other then his own (too bad that probably wouldn't hold up against anything that matters)
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

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SWIM was under the impression that "double-dipping" was slang for getting 2 narcotic prescriptions from different doctors at the same time. Such as if you go to the dentist and get a bottle of pain pills for a 1 week time period and fail to tell your dentist about your montly bottle of whatever other painkiller you get from a different doctor. Lots of people have lost there prescriptions this way... over silly things. And it happens really easy, and far more common than you might think. One time SWIM was sitting in the waiting room and the nurse was yelling at a lady that she had signed a narcotics agreement and had narcotics filled elsewhere which breached the agreement and the dr. would not give her any more narcotics. In another situation, a much older friend, totally inocently had a script for oxy's (oxycodone) and called her family dr. about something and he called her in a script for darvocet (propoxyphene/APAP)... Unknowingly the dr. called her up and told her that if she ever did that again he would refuse her as a patient. In a case like this, if you inform the dr. you are currently taking a narcotic from another dr. then it is different. Basically, it just seems to be opiate + opiate combinations that get people in trouble... opiates are watched very closely.

And SWIM's interpretation of Dr. Shopping is going to one dr. after another until you find one that will give you want you want, essentially you are "shopping for a dr." However, in this case you are entitled to a 2nd opinion or perhaps even a 3rd. But after so many "2nd opinions" you will get flagged as a drug-seeker, or worse.
Your interpretation of Dr. shopping is wrong. Legally you can get as many 2nd opinions as you want if you were to look suspicious while doing this it may lead to a Dr. labeling swiy a drug seeker but that happens to a lot of people who legitimately need opiates. Most times people let Dr's dictate the treatment or diagnosis when really Dr's dont know shit. If someone were to get multiple scripts from multiple Docs at different times and a doctor tried to mark someone as a drug seeker you would need to fight to show that you are in legitimate pain and needed the meds but you couldnt be prosecuted going to the different docs as long as you werent withholding and info that they were asking you about. As far those pain contracts go if you sign one and break the terms like getting other meds from different docs or using multiple pharmacies then youre screwed with your doc. They usually make people sign them if they are suspicious about them in the first place.
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Old 17-03-2009, 12:04
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Re: Getting in trouble for double-dipping / dr. shopping

both docs swim went to assumed he was a drug seeker, but gave him the drugs anyway.

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