Unplanned Tramadol Withdrawal, help....

[Jasim]

Okay, so swim fucked up bad. Multiple times he did, badly this time. Worst than before he thinks.


Swim got careless after finally getting a legit prescription for Tramadol back in Jan. Well, he screwed up and wasn't keeping track of how much he was using and when he got his scripts filled and ended up going through over 2 months (around 200 pills, 50mg) in about 3 weeks....Okay, back up. Let's start with what swim did wrong.....


Mistake 1: Swim gets a legitimate prescription and feels secure enough to to not to lock up any for weaning, which he normally does.
Mistake 2: Swim doesn't keep track of how much he is using and when he uses his refills.
Mistake 3: Swim starts getting low and begins to tap into his reserve supplies without being cautious.
Mistake 4: (Here's the one you can laugh at). Swim finally realizes he is low, calls his doctor to get a refill auth, still not realizing that he went through 2 months refills in 1. It went kinda like this:
Doctor's Assitant "So you already used your refill?"
Swim "Yeah"
Doctor's Assistant "You mean you went through 180 pills in 3 weeks?"
Swim "Uhh... I guess so"

Jasim added 10 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

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So, it took til Thursday the 5th for swim to realize he was getting low. He starts to try to wean down, which is normal since he does this anyway to combat tolerance. He calls Friday to try to get a refill authorized, still not realizing how much he has used recently. Saturday he thinks everything should be fine and taps his reserve supplies (not really weaning that much). Sunday He starts to worry because his refill was not reauthorized, considers alternate sources, but decides he can do it. Still hasn't realized just how little he has left, but begins weaning in earnest anyway. Monday, truly realizes how little he has and is now attempting 2, 50mg pills a day with DXM and alcohol to supplement. He starts to get worried at this point, but is still hoping for the refill auth. Tuesday finally gets in touch with the doctor's assistant and has the conversation outlined above. Now he realizes what he has done and seriously starts to worry. Wednesday same as Tuesday, withdrawal is hitting hard and sucks, even at 100mg a day. Thursday done to 2 pills left, takes 1 (50mg for the whole day) and gets an alternative source setup, but it won't go through til Monday cause of the weekend....SHIT!!!!!

So, now here is swim. Scared as fuck that the worst of the withdrawal is yet to come. 1, 50mg tramadol pill left. Has taken about 105mg of DXM + 21mg chlorophenirame + unknown amount of alcohol and nicotine just to get to tonight....Exhausted all other possibilities......Here we go....

Jasim added 105 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...

Thanks to a friend on here, swim remembered some kratom he had stashed away somewhere as a keepsake.... He doesn't think it's enough to last til his supplies come in, but it will sure help.

[Mesaja]

SWIY doesnt have to very so much about it,if SWIY has kratom or something else to ease his w/d.
Tramadol is not so strong of an opiate(like Oxy`s),so SWIM guess that kratom will help.
Also,use:
-Xanax for the anxiety.
-NSAI for pain(if SWIM does have stomach pain)
-Valium(Diazepam) for sleeping disorder and insomnia.
The main withdrawals should be over in seven days.
After that,the cravings will start,and then is the real battle.
No pill will help SWIY whit this,just his power of will.
peace&love.

[Jasim]

Thanks. though swim has no benzos.
Lucky swim was able to do a fast wean over about 3 days, or he would be much worse atm.

One of the reasons swim initially started using Tramadol was because as a prodrug it isn't supposed to be as addictive or cause severe withdrawal. Well swim was abusing at around 300-400mg daily for over 6 months, and that can cause a bad withdrawal. Though nothing like what swim ever experienced on H.

He thinks a lot of it yesterday was mostly anxiety. Yesterday was the first day completely off. He will just try to keep himself occupied for the moment.

[UNIBLACK810]

Originally Posted by Jasim

Thanks. though swim has no benzos.
Lucky swim was able to do a fast wean over about 3 days, or he would be much worse atm.

One of the reasons swim initially started using Tramadol was because as a prodrug it isn't supposed to be as addictive or cause severe withdrawal. Well swim was abusing at around 600-800mg daily for over 6 months, and that can cause a bad withdrawal. Though nothing like what swim ever experienced on H.

He thinks a lot of it yesterday was mostly anxiety. Yesterday was the first day completely off. He will just try to keep himself occupied for the moment.

LOL..SWIM is not laughing at SWIY just that SWIM knows these types of situations all to well and @ worse all to frequent. As SWIM remembers SWIM's UN/self dealing with this same situation (just diffrent narcotic) not more than 2 weeks ago. And SWIM swares @ the time it actually feels like the f---ing end of the world. The sheer panic and dread one feels when the thought of withdrawl shows its ugly head. @ that point and time SWIM or you feels as though SWIM would give anything,,,,,anything to not have to go through that.

....................QUOTE/ and SWIM probably would????

[10001110101]

SWIM always wonders why frogs use more than 300mg of tramadol in a day.

swim just don't get it, it's a prodrug that can only be converted at a certain rate so swiy really can't get any higher off 8 pills than swiy can off 4 (and yes swim's tried through experience many times)

swim have almost limitless free access (like 120 a month for 8 bucks off someone else's prescription they don't use)

and everytime swim gets a 120 count bottle he takes maybe 20, sells maybe 30 or so and ends up either throwing/giving them away?

not too mention you're in seizure/serotonin syndrome territory at that dosage level... and not to mention the sides start to become very pronounced but the euphoria does not.

tramadol for swim is for inexperienced opiate users or for someone who is using it at work or for actual pain relief.

remember tramadol is a Norepinephrine and Serotonin reuptake inhibitor as well.

so swiy'll probably be very anxious/depressed/tired/shitty in another special way added to the opiate w/d.

and DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL to wean. alcohol SUCKS, why add a hangover to a W/D... smoke some herb instead.

and you forgot aspirin. helps a shitload. just take it w/food.

10001110101 added 4 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

consider getting:

rhodiola rosea (adaptogenic herb like ginseng but stronger and stimulates beta-endorphin activity)
loperamide (acts on peripheral W/D)
cannabis (just feels warm and sedating, calms anxiety)
aspirin (aches & pains)

[Jasim]

Originally Posted by 10001110101

SWIM always wonders why frogs use more than 300mg of tramadol in a day.

swim just don't get it, it's a prodrug that can only be converted at a certain rate so swiy really can't get any higher off 8 pills than swiy can off 4 (and yes swim's tried through experience many times)

EDIT: Ah, he sees. He made an error. He meant 6-8 pills a day which would be 300-400mg a day. Swim agrees, over 400mg a day would be excessive and wasteful.

For swim is dose escalation due to tolerance.

As for the norepinephrine and serotonin, swim had some duloxetine saved up that helped.

For an update:
It hit swim really bad Saturday, worst started around 1pm. Swim felt like someone had put him in a bag and strung it upside down and went at him like a pinata. The kratom really hasn't helped much if at all.

Swim had a really restless nap and popped 30mg of duloxetine. Chocolate has seemed to help, maybe it's just been placebo, but swim will take whatever. He starting to feel a bit better by 6pm and takes a shower, then is feeling so good (relatively) he makes a dumb decision and goes out for drinks with friends.

Swiy is very correct and swim now knows. In the future swim is avoiding all alcohol during withdrawal. It doesn't help and only makes it worse really. Even 1 or 2 drinks.

But now, 7am here. Swim is feeling better, but in pain/discomfort. Swim managed to save 1 tramadol. Swim gets his stuff Tommorrow evening. Swim is thinking the wd is prolly pretty done and plans on taking the tramadol later today so he can have 1 good day before having to go back to work tommorrow.

[10001110101]

save the pill for an emergency. like if youre throwing up at work and dont wanna get fired. youll take it anyways. buy some weed youll thank me later.

[Jasim]

Swim didn't have much problems yesterday. As far as withdrawal symptoms go. Swim used his last pill Sunday. Swim has a bad cold today....prolly from smoking so much more lately. Swims stuff should come in today (yea 1 day late). Yay!!!

Overall here are swims thoughts on the whole experience:



- Swim will always put back a weaning supply FIRST!
- Alcohol does NOT help with withdrawals and only makes symptoms worse.
- Kratom didn't do much, but swim didn't have enough to take a full dose. Swim thinks it would have helped if he had more.
- For Tramadol, the Duloxetine (Cymbalta) actually helped some. Swim took 30mg pills, maybe 2-3 times during the whole thing.
- Luckily swim was able to quickly wean down over the course of 3-4 days last week. Stopping cold turkey, swim would have had it a LOT worse.

[phee]

Swim had a very hard time one minute on tramadol then onto morphine went through mental hell as i stopped taking morphine.i belived it was the morphine making me ill with flu like symtoms aggitation etc.tramadol is like shaking hands with the devil only valium helped. i know what you went through my friend glad your better

phee added 3 Minutes and 42 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by phee

Swim had a very hard time one minute on tramadol then onto morphine went through mental hell as i stopped taking morphine.swim belived it was the morphine making them ill with flu like symtoms aggitation etc.tramadol is like shaking hands with the devil only valium helped. i know what you went through my friend glad your better

swim swim swim

[nateup]

I don't think mixing DXM with the Tram is a very good idea as both posses slight SSRI properties (I think). They are both weak reuptake inhibitors... but I hear Seratonin Syndrome is a pretty undesirable thing to go through!

[Jasim]

^ Swim was mixing for a very fast come down. Honestly, it takes a hella lot of ssri type activity to cause serotonin syndrome. Any ssri activity of tramadol or dxm is too weak, especially considering the doses he was using for weaning. But I agree, when mixing ssri's one should always be cautious. Especially if one mixes in a MAOI.

[gmeziscool2354]

since tramadol is unscheduled, wouldn't it be quite easy to get more?

i think it is, as long as you find a doctor that isn't going to cut you off, you could get infinitely much tramadol since no one is going to get introuble for doing so

atleast that is the experience from some one i know, tho some one i know was not in a similar situation

[Jasim]

Tramadol is a Schedule 4 controlled substance in some places in the USA. But even though unscheduled, it is legal only by prescription. DEA is still considering making it federally a Schedule 4.

But yes swim has obtained his supply again. Though he was wanting his insurance to continue paying for it...oh well, lol.

[gmeziscool2354]

really?!?!?!


since when?

I recall it not being DEA scheduled during my friends bingings

[Jasim]

It's NOT scheduled by the DEA, but some states have made it a schedule 4. Maybe your friend should check his state? In swims state it's considered a controlled substance. I think it is considered as such in most states.

[xxdan123xx]

Muscle Relaxers seem to help... Swim is in day two of terrible H (roughly .5g daily for months)withdrawls and just took an unknown amount of soma. By no means does he feel well and he pretty sure he puked most of them up but still better that nothing helps with the muscle twitches. Stay strong your not alone in this.