Drug info - Best brain drug for exam?

[Faktum]

Best brain drug for exam? The exams is in History and English..Not using any drugs at the moment and I don't want to use anything with long term side effects. So I'm thinking about either Ritalin or Adderall, what do ya think?

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Swim would go for adderall. Although some people can't seem to handle it. Most people seem to have more negative side effects with one than the other. Which one will work for swiy, I have no idea. I guess ritalin worked well for swim before he got a tolerance to it.

[plosik11]

I would seriously consider going on Focalin. Its the best thing that ever happened to me. I makes you focus a rediculous amount. It will wear off by the end off by the end of the day when you go to bed, and you should eat and sleep fine...

pluss if u wanna brake em open, crush up the beads and snort it, it is very similar to snorting cocaine, but without the danger!

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Without the danger? I think not

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Focalin = dexmethylphenidate = about the same thing as ritalin.

And why the hell are you telling people it's safe? Swim overdosed doing that shit a couple years ago. Sure, you know how much is in each pill, but you don't know how much it's going to take to kill you, and tolerance goes up fast. Shit like that can get people killed. Some people could die from VERY SMALL amounts of the drug, due to heart defects and blood pressure problems.

Swim has also had his limbs and parts of his face turn slightly blue from snorting large doses of adderall on a limited tolerance, along with a very strong cup of coffee. Swim's blood pressure and heart rate are generally fine too, unless swim eats a lot of salty foods then his blood pressure gets borderline high(he has sodium sensative hypertension. it's normally really good if he avoids salt). So it's not like he's some fat ass 50 year old guy who's begging for a heart attack either.

EDIT: You also incriminated yourself. Which is highly looked down upon here and against the rules.

[Faktum]

Originally Posted by 100mg Methylphenidate

EDIT: You also incriminated yourself. Which is highly looked down upon here and against the rules.

Yeah, I know, but it's too late for SWIM to edit SWIM's post now..


Anyway, anymore suggestions?

[100mg Methylphenidate]

I was talking about the person who's trying to convince you focalin is danger free. But you should be able to edit your post to fix swiy's mistake. I hate when swim types shit up on here for me and forgets that I'M the one using this account, not him. He makes me look like a druggy sometimes. XD

And I forgot to mention earlier, you might research into modafinil for swiy. We have a nootropics forum here with lots of information about it. Swim hasn't tried it. But it appears the effects come on pretty quick and there are varying degrees of efficasy. It would be a safer alternative that can be obtained legally without a prescription. Although, I highly doubt it would be much fun. Just useful for studying, if that. No need to go getting swiy an addiction just for school.

Swim absolutely fell in love with speed two or three years ago when he tried it, and he hasn't managed to quit. Even after almost dying from an overdose. Swim finds amphetamine to be much more euphoric and worth blowing all his cash on than strong opiates like oxycontin. Not that swim really regrets doing speed, YET, it is beneficial to his life since he does have ADHD, and he doesn't steal or anything like that to get it. But it's something to consider. VERY psychologically addictive drug. Swim doesn't feel like he can do anymore unless he's on speed. Hopefully swim hasn't already tried speed and takes this into consideration..

[Faktum]

Thanks for the warning, but SWIM does not have a addictive personality. It's rather hard for SWIM "to feel" the drugs, first time SWIM tried weed and coke he didn't feel anything at all. Don't care if it's illegal or not, SWIM knows how to get it

[100mg Methylphenidate]

Eh....swim isn't really that psychologically addicted to anything but amphetamines. I think everybody has 'their' drug, and you just have to find it...well...it's better not to. But yeah.

Swim likes amphetamines WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better than coke. Although he'll do either one, speed makes coke look weak as hell. Nothing like staying up for days at a time with no need or desire for food and sleep. Music sounds amazing. It also makes one feel absolutely invincible. Swiy WILL feel amphetamines. Even low-moderate doses will keep him up for hours without a benzo.

[FalloutCEO]

Swim likes amphetamines WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better than coke. Although he'll do either one, speed makes coke look weak as hell. Nothing like staying up for days at a time with no need or desire for food and sleep. Music sounds amazing. It also makes one feel absolutely invincible. Swiy WILL feel amphetamines. Even low-moderate doses will keep him up for hours without a benzo.[/QUOTE]\

I totaly agree with you. Amphetamines last way longer than coke, They are waaaaaay less expensive. And you get way more energy on them In my opinion Coke is a waste of money. Swim gets 20mg time release Dexys at $2.00 per pill. Just one of those is like a 20 bag of coke.

FalloutCEO added 1 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

I totaly agree with you. Amphetamines last way longer than coke, They are waaaaaay less expensive. And you get way more energy on them In my opinion Coke is a waste of money. Swim gets 20mg time release Dexys at $2.00 per pill. Just one of those is like a 20 bag of coke.[/QUOTE]
P.S. Only down side is that you build up a tolerance much faster than coke.

[Faktum]

Anymore tips for "exam drugs"?

[RoboCodeine7610]

Piracetam or similar nootropic, that way you won't have any side effects.

[Faktum]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Piracetam or similar nootropic, that way you won't have any side effects.

Yeah, but does it work as good as Ritalin or Adderall?

Faktum added 880 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

Anyone?..

[RoboCodeine7610]

No, it's not as potent.But they're completely different though.Nootropics increase oxygen flow to the brain and "hyperconnect" the right and left hemisphere.THey prevent and help repair brain damage and have been succesfully used to treat Alzeheimer's disease.

Aderall and ritalin on the other hand simply stimulate the brain beyond it's capabilities, having numerous side effects and causing brain damage long-term.Now you could use them both toghether to make them even more powerful, plus the piracetam will reduce any damage caused by the aderall.

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Informative post on how nootropics work

[honourableone]

The stimulants won't actually help with exams, unless you would have been tired without them. They might help getting more revision done, but overall brain function won't be affected too much. Piracetam + choline used as a supplement however will actually improve brain power and memory. SWIM uses microscopic amounts of amphetamine (he has never had larger amounts) before some exams, as they seem to make the test less stressfull for him (he "descends" to the exam paper and doesn't look up untill he has finished), but he doubts if it improves his results in any way.

In a pharmacology textbook I have there is mention of a medical student who took too much amphetamine (adderall) before an exam, and failed it because of overconfidence. He left the exam convinced that he had aced it, but just wrote his name (or something similar) over and over again untill the time was up. That sounds quite ridiculous to me, but it was in a very well respected textbook.

[ganjahero420]

^ that may be true but in swims expirince this has never happened and stimulants have only been beneficial to academics. he thinks piracetam helps but is much more subtle. he definatly feels adderall is the best for studying and exams.

[honourableone]

I think that stimulants would be most beneficial for getting more studying/revision done, rather than for actually taking tests. I haven't seen any decent evidence that amphetamine actually improves mental performance/memory significantly, and at very high doses it can definitely be more of a problem than a help

[Anonabyss]

Originally Posted by honourableone

The stimulants won't actually help with exams, unless you would have been tired without them. They might help getting more revision done, but overall brain function won't be affected too much. Piracetam + choline used as a supplement however will actually improve brain power and memory. SWIM uses microscopic amounts of amphetamine (he has never had larger amounts) before some exams, as they seem to make the test less stressfull for him (he "descends" to the exam paper and doesn't look up untill he has finished), but he doubts if it improves his results in any way.

In a pharmacology textbook I have there is mention of a medical student who took too much amphetamine (adderall) before an exam, and failed it because of overconfidence. He left the exam convinced that he had aced it, but just wrote his name (or something similar) over and over again untill the time was up. That sounds quite ridiculous to me, but it was in a very well respected textbook.

Stimulants like amphetamine increase concentration and ability to work out problems. It has been proven time and time again that they increase mental performance. Studies have shown that it will enhance reaction time, logical reasoning, and memory. SWIM can confirm from long term experience of him and his friends that these studies hold true in his experience--including performance in work or school. One example of an individual that failed an exam while using amphetamine is in no way evidence that the chemical will not help. In fact, that example doesn't even suggest for sure that the chemical did any harm, perhaps he would have done even worse had he not taken the Adderall.

[honourableone]

Originally Posted by Anonabyss

Stimulants like amphetamine increase concentration and ability to work out problems. It has been proven time and time again that they increase mental performance. Studies have shown that it will enhance reaction time, logical reasoning, and memory. SWIM can confirm from long term experience of him and his friends that these studies hold true in his experience--including performance in work or school. One example of an individual that failed an exam while using amphetamine is in no way evidence that the chemical will not help. In fact, that example doesn't even suggest for sure that the chemical did any harm, perhaps he would have done even worse had he not taken the Adderall.

Maybe I could have worded myself slightly better there. Amphetamine would improve both motivation and concentration, which would mean more studying could get done (both overall and in a specific space of time), and this as well as the increase in concentration would aid the memory of the things studied while amphetamine was being used, but this would be an indirect improvement. I might have gone too far when I said "The stimulants won't actually help with exams, unless you would have been tired without them", but the improvement would be caused only by being "more awake", and too much amphetamine would definitely have a negative impact. A phrase that I have heard used about amphetamine use is "busier not brighter" (or something similar), and this is what I was getting at, though the "busier" part could lead to being "brighter" (I am aware that that sounds like a contradiction, but I hope I have explained myself sufficiently for you to see where I'm coming from). SWIM occasionally reaps benefits from using amphetamine while studying, but only when he is tired or especially struggling to concentrate. I don't deny that amphetamine can aid with studying, but the issues that go along with it make me believe that amphetamine should not be relied upon frequently.

Nootropics on the other hand, can directly improve brain function, memory encoding etc, and are a more long term solution.

I agree with your doubts about the example (although I can't see how it is possible for someone to do worse than writing nothing but their name over and over again), and the paragraph it was mentioned in seemed more of a personal warning against amphetamine use for study, which made it stand out and seem odd.


@ Faktum: Looking through various articles, it appears that neurotoxicity is much less of an issue with ritalin (methylphenidate), and I found one article that claimed it was actually neuroprotective. I'm not sure of the medically accepted vew however, and I doubt that this is firm ground. SWIM has no experience with ritalin, but doubts that the effects will be as clean/smooth as with amphetamine. Seeing as this thread is in the amphetamine section I'm sure that someone will have the experience to help you on that point.

[Faktum]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

No, it's not as potent.But they're completely different though.Nootropics increase oxygen flow to the brain and "hyperconnect" the right and left hemisphere.THey prevent and help repair brain damage and have been succesfully used to treat Alzeheimer's disease.

Aderall and ritalin on the other hand simply stimulate the brain beyond it's capabilities, having numerous side effects and causing brain damage long-term.Now you could use them both toghether to make them even more powerful, plus the piracetam will reduce any damage caused by the aderall.

So Nootrpics is probably like Ginko Biloba then just stronger. But if I try Ritalin 1-2 times will it really hurt me long time? And if if it's so dangerous how come they give it to those ADHD guys?

[honourableone]

Originally Posted by Faktum

So Nootrpics is probably like Ginko Biloba then just stronger. But if I try Ritalin 1-2 times will it really hurt me long time? And if if it's so dangerous how come they give it to those ADHD guys?

Not neccesarily Ginko Biloba, few people feel that it helps significantly. Choline and piracetam are the best place to start.

Lots of prescription drugs have bad effects, and ritalin helps people with ADHD where negatives may be worth it. Personally, I don't think using ritalin a couple of times will hurt that much, just don't let it turn into a regular thing or a habit.

[Faktum]

Aaight I'm going for Choline and piracetam then. But what brand on Ebay for Choline should I choose, or does it really mater? lol

Very few people that sell piracetam on ebay and those that are offering it seems to be kinda shady lol.

[honourableone]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74167

There is quite a lot of information on this in the Various Drugs forum, under Nootropics. Alpha-gpc seems to be the best, if you can afford it. SWIM takes simple choline Bitartrate, but will probably switch to lecithin when that runs out.

Piracetam should be alright to purchase; it can be obtained from health food shops in the USA, but not in Europe (to SWIM's annoyance). It can be bought in big tubs similar to all of the bulking powders you can get.

Choline and piracetam can give benefits very quickly (after a week of supplementation?), but they are long term solutions. To help stay awake and concentrate over short periods, on spaced apart occasions, modafinil/adrafinil (non-recreational stimulants), and amphetamine (or similar) could still help you.

[Faktum]

Are there any long term effects from modafinil though? Never wanna try Speed/amphetamine by the way.

[honourableone]

Modafinil is generally considered much healthier; there is certainly much less risk of blood pressure or heart problems, and whereas amphetamine can damage the brain there are indications modafinil is neuroprotective (it is beneficial in the treatment of Parkinson's disease).

I have heard that people taking modafinil prefer to keep use to once/twice a week though. It is something that could be beneficial if only taken when needed.

[Potter]

A collection of articles that will be rather helpful.