Opinions - What is the strongest hallucinogen?

[generich201]

I would have to throw dob on there too that was the strongest i ever done. from whatI here bromo dragonfly going to be something

[Alquimista]

SWIM has tried many different substances but the most intense trip comes from Datura - he dosent recommend it to anyone who isnt already insane though.

[xctico]

just listening to the name of the datura family gives me a chill down the spine...

[Dr_H]

I still think that the strongest "experience" is almost anything with the propper dose. Too little of the strongest most potent is still nothing compared to too much of the weakest. . . The dose is the poison.

[msumegi]

The problem with the original question is that there is no mention of quantity. Yes, mushrooms are more powerful than LSD if you have good mushrooms and take a lot, but one or two grams of good mushrooms is not better that one hit of good acid, but if the acid is bad or if there is a low quantity on the blotter then maybe not.

[albydamned]

I think pcp is the best drug to halucinate on some pcp and some pot and you are good to go

[Lacognac69]

I'm curious about this so called "nightshade". Someone mentioned it in a post awhile ago saying "Nightshade is one of the most dangerous drugs no matter how much experience you have. It can induce coma even at very low dosages". So im wondering what exactly this stuff is. Also is datura avaibable to purchase online or the stuff to make ayahuasca, i havn't looked too much into it yet. Both these things sound pretty crazy, and im not sure i would want to experience them but, they are very interesting to read about.

[Dr_H]

Nightshade or Deadly Nightshade is Atropa belladonna and the active alkaloids are Hyoscyamine and Atropine. You can read about it, Datura and ayahuasca here: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

i think that in this discussion if ANY THING has been discovered it is
that everyone has their own opinions, some people take 2/8 of shrooms
and feel nothing. while others somke pot and trip

so every ones body workds differently, but for a good legal high that will blitz your mind, salvia extract.

[billbong]

if you want the most intense try a short duration if u like u can always have more. If your looking for a major mindfuck and the strongest imo of the 2 5-meo-dmt. If you wanna hallucinate more go dor dmt. I would REALLY recommend prev experiences with at least sum psychedelic experience first though. Maybe try salvia extract aswell.What did you choose???

[BEEKSc1]

the army's BZ is a "super-hallucinogen"
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<TD width=400>During the early 1960s Edgewood Arsenal, headquarters of the US Army Chemical Corps, received an average of four hundred chemical "rejects" every month from the maior American pharmaceutical firms. Rejects were drugs found to be commercially useless because of their undesirable side effects. Of course, undesirable side effects were precisely what the army was looking for.


It was from Hoffmann-La Roche in Nutley, New Jersey, that Edgewood Arsenal obtained its first sample of a drug called quinuclidinyl benzilate, or BZ for short. The army learned that BZ inhibits the production of a chemical substance that facilitates the transfer of messages along the nerve endings, thereby disrupting normal perceptual pattems. The effects generally lasted about three days, although symptoms--headaches, giddiness, disorientation, auditory and visual hallucinations, and maniacal behavior--could persist for as long as six weeks. "During the period of acute effects," noted an army doctor, "the person is completely out of touch with his environment."


Dr. Van Sim, who served as chief of the Clinical Research Division at Edgewood, made it a practice to try all new chemicals himself before testing them on volunteers. Sim said he sampled LSD "on several occasions." Did he enjoy getting high, or were his acid trips simply a patriotic duty? "It's not a matter of compulsiveness or wanting to be the first to try a material," Sim stated. "With my experience I am often able to change the design of future experiments.... This allows more comprehensive tests to be conducted later, with maximum effective usefulness of inexperienced volunteers. I'm trying to defeat the compound, and if I can, we don't have to drag out the tests at the expense of a lot of time and money." With BZ, Dr. Sim seems to have met his match. "It zonked me for three days. I kept falling down and the people at the lab assigned someone to follow me around with a mattress. I woke up from it after three days without a bruise." For his efforts Sim received the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service and was cited for exposing himself to dangerous drugs "at the risk of grave personal injury."


According to Dr. Solomon Snyder, a leading psychopharmacologist at Johns Hopkins University, which conducted drug research for the Chemical Corps, "The army's testing of LSD was just a sideshow compared to its use of BZ." Clinical studies with EA-2277 (the code number for BZ) were initiated at Edgewood Arsenal in 1959 and continued until 1975. During this period an estimated twenty-eight hundred soldiers were exposed to the superhallucinogen. A number of military personnel have since come forward claiming that they were never the same after their encounter with BZ. Robert Bowen, a former air force enlisted man, felt disoriented for several weeks after his exposure. Bowen said the drug produced a temporary feeling of insanity but that he reacted less severely than other test subjects. One paratrooper lost all muscle control for a time and later seemed totally divorced from reality "The last time I saw him," said Bowen, "he was taking a shower in his uniform and smoking a cigar." During the early 1960s the CIA and the military began to phase out their in-house acid tests in favor of more powerful chemicals such as BZ, which became the army's standard incapacitating agent. By this time the superhallucinogen was ready for deployment in a grenade, a 750-pound cluster bomb, and at least one other large-scale bomb. In addition the army tested a number of other advanced BZ munitions, including mortar, artillery, and missile warheads. The superhallucinogen was later employed by American troops as a counterinsurgency weapon in Vietnam, and according to CIA documents there may be contingency plans to use the drug in the event of a major civilian insurrection. As Major General William Creasy warned shortly after he retired from the Army Chemical Corps, "We will use these things as we very well see fit, when we think it is in the best interest of the US and their allies."


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An excerpt from Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties and Beyond, by Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain (Grove Press)

[nanobrain]

^BZ is a superdeliriant not a super-hallucinogen. dont fuck around with anticholinergics.

for sheer psychedelic potency, DOTFM-Dragonfly may prove strongest.

BTW, what's up with the SWIM thing? you SWIM, i SWIM, he SINKS? everyone knows its you, the cops on this forum included.

um, did i say do not fuck around with anticholinergics?

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by aMorphius

Looks like there is a new contender for "most potent" psychedelic drug!

It's called bromo dragonFly. The "dragonfly" comes from the part of the

chemical structure that looks like a dragonfly. Apparently it is a chemical

mutant of LSD, MDA and 2C-B. This "mutant" looks like it could open up a

whole new family of psychoactive agents.

For now it seems like these agents are mostly hypothetical untill a new

Dr. Shulgin comes along to explore them.

I believe that Dr David Nichols and his team at Purdue University are</span>
expoloring them, but thay can't publish the results of human
biosassays, only with rats! He mentioned in an interview that they had
developed several. Nichols is a frind of Shulgins and (I think) one of
the characters in PIHKAL. Shulgin must be aware of these materials and
I have heard that the third book, QIKHAL/ THIQIHKAL (or whatever it
will be called) will deal with them. However, these seem to be very
long-acting drugs like DOB and DOM, so probably not for everyone.

[BEEKSc1]

yea right, new one one me, it's is classified structually asa glycolate anticholinergic compound related to atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine. Dispersal would be as an aerosolized solid (primarily for inhalation) or as agent dissolved in one or more solvents for ingestion or percutaneous absorption. i have only scene bz referenced as a "super-hallucinogen" when reading about mk-ultra and related projects. BZ causes peripheral nervous system (PNS) effects that in general are the opposite of those seen in nerve agent poisoning. Central nervous system (CNS) effects include stupor, confusion, and confabulation with concrete and panoramic illusions and hallucinations, and with regression to automatic "phantom" behaviors such as plucking and disrobing.

[dr ACE]

mushrooms are very strong with pronounced visual avctivity both open and closed eye. try doing an extract of some high qualitiy cubensis and that should totally blow you away for sure and if it doens'nt try taking some crushed syrin rue seed extractalong with it to poteniate it even more,, but be carefull cause the seed extract is an MAOI so watch what you eat prior to the trip and what what drugs you takeas well

[nanobrain]

Originally Posted by BEEKSc1

effects include...regression to automatic "phantom" behaviors such as plucking and disrobing.

hheh, you know you are tripping balls when you are plucking...

may give a whole new answer as to why did the ckicken cross the road

[akcom]

1. DMT

2. LSD/Mescaline

3. 2C-E



feel free to disagree.

[raven3davis]

It really all just depends on dosage etc. LSD is very potent so you could take like 100 hits, which would be pretty damn powerful. On the other hand you could smoke some DMT, which will knock you on your arse for 30- minutes. Salvia is also extremely powerful, along with shrooms and mescaline. This question is really hard to answer because every psychadelic is different, and it is hard to say that one is more intense than the other. Level 5 shrooms trips are also insane. If you wanna trip your nuts off just eat a half ounce of indoor grown shrooms, several hits of acid, or 700mg mescaline. Shrooms would probably be the most reasonable choice because they are normally pretty easy to find. Finding LSD or mescaline will prove to be pretty difficult, atleast for me.

[bubaloo]

For me, its DXM - The 4th Plateau,
The 4th Plateau

[moeBius]

it is said that it doesnt matter how much you exactly take of a drug
when dosages are on an extremely high level (eg 50 or 100 hits of acid,
20 or 30g dried cubensis). but there is absolutely no reason to take
such quantities, although there seem to be people out there who did.



dxm isnt considered a hallucinogen btw.

[Riconoen {UGC}]

swim advises to stay the fuck away from daturs, it's a deliriant and yuou may up in the loony bin or worse. if you want to trip balls and lsd or a isnt enough use dmt since it's short acting.

[Nagognog2]

It is 'poisonous' at any dose. The amount required for delerient effects is very poisonous. The forum sincerely recommends you NEVER try it. And I personally recommend beating the shit out of anyone who ever gives this stuff tou\ kids as "A trip, dude!"

For further reading on such:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=117

[Forthesevenlakes]

Most atropine-type alkaloids are extremely toxic. Potent hallucinogens, yes, but let's just say it wasn't just the inquisitors in the middle ages who were killing off the witches using belladona...

[DrMuffy]

Yeah i know its Belladonna is poisenios, but when taken in the right amount it can just be a pretty good hallucinogen/delierant. Yeah i wouldnt recomend any one trying it, because there a pretty good chance you'll die if you eat a lil too much. So DONT do it, its dangerous.

[Nagognog2]

If I hear one more comment that even slightly suggests a good time being had with nightshades - there will be Hell to pay. Don't like that? Sue me.