Opinions - What is the strongest hallucinogen?

[psyko_tripper]

Datura is actually a deleriant!

How about a good dose of ketamine iv?

[Roots of Evil]

Datura is a deleriant, but yet it still give you hallucination ?

[windtraveler]

I would put DPT in the same category as DMT (it is actually a cousin i believe). But when you ask for the strongest you are asking a purely subjective question, as alpha pointed out.

[wednesday]

salvia has the strongest active hallucinogen known right now the best part...its legal

Paul

[icemaster]

Salvia is more of a dissociative than a hallucinogen; the plant itself is not very potent but he extract is.

[ganja420]

Originally Posted by smartbee

Honestly i think it's Salvinorin A, just need 100 mcg. Read articles of Daniel Siebert.

I agree, you should do some information on it. When used properly Salvinorin def. could be the strongest.

[wednesday]

10X sprinkled with salvia extract (powder) and you really have some stuff the fucks you up

Paul

[djryand]

By weight, lsd is the most potent synthetic hallucinogen, and salvia the most potent naturally-occuring hallucinogen.

[8BaLL]

From what i know, DMT is the most powerful, and intense. DMT and ayahuasca are the same thing, but DMT is not orally active, ayahuasca is DMT in its orally active form.

here is a list of the effects of DMT straight from erowid.org (the best drug reference site ive seen)

EFFECTS LIST #

POSITIVE

short duration
immersive experiences
intense open eye visuals and kaleidescopic patterning
powerful "rushing" of sensation
radical perspective shifting
profound life-changing spiritual experiences

NEUTRAL

change in perception of time
auditory hallucination (buzzing)
colorshifting (for example red green and gold coloring to the whole world)

NEGATIVE

overly-intense experiences
hard on the lungs to smoke
slight stomach discomfort
difficulty integrating experiences
overwhelming fear
fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling)


i suggest before even consider a drug of this intensity, you read up on some EXPERIENCES from DMT users, and of other like drugs mentioned on this thread. dont look for the most intense, look for the one that suits your wants and personality best!

good luck

[HippieD9]

Strongest trip SWIM has ever had was snorting 10mg of 2c-e, which was extremely painful and STUPID. Just FYI. I'dsay eatingabout 20mgof 2c-i is the best trip I've even found, and I've had a lot.





D.

[Dr_H]

I think that HellsEmbrace needs to do some research and decide what he wants out of the experience. Someone who says "what is the strongest you got, gimme that!" probably has not thought it out and is probably not in the best frame of mind for what he is asking. You need to consider, duration, health risks, set and setting, babysitter etc. By weight LSD is active around 200mcg, Salvinorin A 100mcg, DMT smoked around 30mg. These are pure compounds, the plants like dature have varying amounts of alkaloids. Atropine is one of the alkaloids in dature and it is active at 1-2mg and can kill you at 5-10mg. It is not as much the choice of drug you take but more of a choice of dosage. The dose is the poison.


I recomend mushrooms for a beginner, because they are safe (in most cases you cannot fitenough in your stomach to kill yourself)and any intensity level can be achieved with the proper dosage.

[sands of time]

Salvia extract can definately show you a crazy state of being that you will never be able to experience any other way, but it is a very short ride (3-5 minutes) and this doesn't give you much of a chance to explore. I would not recommend trying LSD if you are new but perhaps mushrooms would be a good starting point.

[xctico]

As for mushrooms... they're safe; as long as you pick the right kind.
Otherwise a long, painfull death might be at hand... try 9 days of
agoni in your local ICU...



As for the strongest trip I've taken, Nightshades, by far. Very strong,
Very scary. Can't remember mucho about it; I did spend 5 days in my
local ICU... so I really don't recomend it, tripping on your own death
is not fun.



I would recomend any mescaline containing catcus. Smooth, intense, visual, LONG, nice trip.

[D.U.M.B]

I'd reccomend mushrooms and lsd.

If you get the right dose you can have good fun and from expierences these are easier to control than other hallucinagenics

[xctico]

From what I know LSD is not exactly a hallucinogenic, but rather a
psychadelic drug. The difference lies in that it doesn't show you an
unexistent reality but rather shows you things you had in your mind
already by amplifing your emotions and distorting your senses. It
doesn't impose a happy mood, like xtc does; nor does it make you see
your self in places where you're not at, like mescaline [if you have an
outer body experience] or mushrooms. It simply changes the patterns by
wich you think and feel your already existing emotions. So it doesn't
really fit my definition of a hallucinogenic drug.

Do you agree?

[Dr_H]

Again I would have to say the dose is the poison. For LSD it is just a matter of dosage, between having just visual distortions or full on hallucinations. I would not recomend the nightshades to a beginner because the difference between visual distortions, hallucinations and death is small. I would also not recomend that a beginner "pick" mushrooms. Mushrooms would be one of thesafest, providing they are correctlyidentified.LSD is also very safe, at least physically, even at high doses. Salvia is available but the extract, smoked,can be scary with just a bit too much. The big question is what is available to you. If your choice is limitless do your research and figure out what you want. Actually that should be your standard course of action, research anything new you put into your body.


I would still recommend mushrooms because of general availability and safety and LSD second.

[xctico]

Properly picked mushrooms are one of the safest ways to go. As long as you pick the right ones...

LSD can be a good choice. I wouldn't recomend anything above 100mics for your first trip.

Peyote or other mescaline containing catci could be another good
choice, much more "spiritual", "closer to God" feeling than LSD, it's
very safe to pick [unlike shrooms]... you can even buy san pedro
legally online... very visual, intense, and safe [bad trip wise; you
might see scary stuff, but it just doesn't feel like a real threat to
you]...

Any of these three would certainly change the way you percieve reality.





On the other hand...

Nightshade is one of the most dangerous drugs no matter how much
experience you have. It can induce coma even at very low dosages. Even
if you don't go into a coma, the trip can only be described as a
nightmare

[aMorphius]

"I'm thinking LSD, but are shrooms more potent?* Mescaline?* What's the
best way to trip the strongest, basically?"

Looks like we need some definitions here. Such as what do we mean by
"potent" and "trip the strongest". Potent would seem to mean; what is the
smallest dose to create the greatest effect. Supposedly LSD has the
smallest dose to produce hallucinations of all synthetic drugs, while
Salvinorian A has the smallest does of all the naturally occuring ones.
There are probably synthetic derivatives of both that would work at even
smaller doses.

Regarding the "strongest" experience, both DMT type chemicals as well as
Salvinorian A alledgedly produce the "shot out of a rocket" effect. Short
acting but very very intense.

Well that's my two cents worth.

[xctico]

the strongest hallucinogen by strenght/weight is definitely acid... take 1 miligram and you'll never come back...

If the question goes to wich one gives you a harder trip at a tolerable
dosage, then I'll say mushrooms or peyote... a 3 day trip to a higher
plane, or a little time traveling can really be a trip...

[Dr_H]

The average dose of LSD is about 200mcg (micrograms). In the 60's the average dose was about 500mcg. I have taken 9 hits at one time and if they were 200mcg then I took 1.8mg and I came back. I know someone that Ate a sheet (actually 94 hits/ a sheet is 100) and if 200mcg was the average dose then he took 18.8mg. the LD50( dosage at which half the subjects die) are:


46mg/kg I.V. for mice,16.5mg/kg and .3mg/kg rabbits I.V. these are introveinous so it would be higher through the stomach. The LD50 for humans has not been found to my knowledge.


Keep in mind this is mg/kg.


But again the dose is the poison, meaning the strenght of anything is deteremined by it's dosage. 1mg smoked dmt does nothing.

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LSD breaks down in the body and is ejected as urine WAY before 18+ grams

[aMorphius]

Looks like there is a new contender for "most potent" psychedelic drug!
It's called bromo dragonFly. The "dragonfly" comes from the part of the
chemical structure that looks like a dragonfly. Apparently it is a chemical
mutant of LSD, MDA and 2C-B. This "mutant" looks like it could open up a
whole new family of psychoactive agents.
For now it seems like these agents are mostly hypothetical untill a new
Dr. Shulgin comes along to explore them.

[xctico]

Originally Posted by Dr_H

The average dose of LSD is about 200mcg
(micrograms). In the 60's the average dose was about
500mcg. I have taken 9 hits at one time and if they were 200mcg
then I took 1.8mg and I came back. I know someone that Ate a
sheet (actually 94 hits/ a sheet is 100) and if 200mcg was the average
dose then he took 18.8mg. the LD50( dosage at which half the subjects
die) are:


46mg/kg I.V. for mice,16.5mg/kg and .3mg/kg rabbits I.V. these
are introveinous so it would be higher through the stomach. The LD50
for humans has not been found to my knowledge.


Keep in mind this is mg/kg.


But again the dose is the poison, meaning the strenght of anything
is deteremined by it's dosage. 1mg smoked dmt does nothing.

I
undestand that the mayor problem they encountered when trying to use
lsd clinically -back in the 60s- was that they couldn't determine the
exact amount for an OD. The problem is, you don't need to OD in order
to "not make it back" in a psichiatric way. you might even take a one
way ticket with small dosages, but as the dosage increases so does the
chance of doing irreversible damage to your psyque. The kind of damage
that usually comes from a really bad trip.

I'm glad you made it back, but that doesn't mean that coming back is warratied at such high dosages.

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definitely agree about the component of how strength of hallucinogens must take into account the role it can play on o...

[sunyata]

If you're concerned about "not coming back" you might want to read some of Stanislav Grof's books, he helped out a lot of people who couldn't find their way back, and is generally recognized as an authority in the field of LSD psychotherapy. You'll find many articles and even some of his books available for download scattered across the web. You'll find some of it here www.druglibrary.org, as well as a lot of other writings by other authors.

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thanx for sharing the author that helps people find their way back

[xctico]

I just read...



MMDA-2 is 10 times stronger than mescaline.



cool.

[moeBius]

if you take a look at the potency of a drugs the strongest hallucinogens would be:
eth-lad: the most potent lsd analogue, 20µg can already be felt.
salvinorine-a works around 200-500µg, also very strong.
and the newest compound, bromo dragonfly seems to be active at similar dosages.

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hey cool..thanx ..i looked over eth-lad..