Experiences - 60x extract, first time

[laddo]

swim recently orderd some salvia 60x extract from the net for swim and mate, its the first time they've done this stuff and i was wonderin if swim has maybe "jumped in at the deep end".. just wondering what you all thought swim should do?

cheers

[Don't fear the Reaper]

Take a low low dose, measure it with scales if SWIY has them. USE a sitter, that is a MUST. Don't go alone, but definately measure out a dose. SWIY is jumping in the deep end

[TheMainException]

Well, that is a bit of a deep end jump. If SWIY decides to try it, SWIY should have at least two sitters there to hold SWIY down if he goes a bit too far into salvia land.

SWIM's suggestion is to buy the foliage and mix some foliage in with the extract at a measured ratio (hopefully SWIY's got a scale, but eyeing it could work).

Also, if SWIY decides to do it, take a small hit and don't hold it in very long. This is a bit of a waste of a 60x, but better than nothing if SWIY really wants to do it.

[laddo]

swim smoked half a gram between him and his mate last night and never got the desired effect,

swim has a glass pipe and lighter from local head shop, he tokes it in and keeps it in as long as he can.. but nothing happend..

so tonight swim deciedes he is going to smoke the rest which is approx half a gram or just less

wish me luck

[Don't fear the Reaper]

SWIM recommends the basic technique of holding one deep lungful in for 25 seconds, exhale, and repeat so that 2 lungfuls have been breathed in. Just 1 usually has little effect.

[thepieman1]

One thing to keep in mind is a lot of extract labeled as 60x I believe may be weaker than that because of what people have said about it and the price. Although personally I have never tried any.

[TheMainException]

Originally Posted by laddo

swim smoked half a gram between him and his mate last night and never got the desired effect,

swim has a glass pipe and lighter from local head shop, he tokes it in and keeps it in as long as he can.. but nothing happend..

so tonight swim deciedes he is going to smoke the rest which is approx half a gram or just less

wish me luck

SWIY and is friend smoked a quarter gram and had NO EFFECTS?! SWIM is shocked. SWIM did 30x and went for a whirl...and it was mighty intense.

[helikophis]

Originally Posted by laddo

swim smoked half a gram between him and his mate last night and never got the desired effect,

swim has a glass pipe and lighter from local head shop, he tokes it in and keeps it in as long as he can.. but nothing happend..

so tonight swim deciedes he is going to smoke the rest which is approx half a gram or just less

wish me luck

Well there are two possibilities that come to mind:
1) SWIM's smoking technique isn't correct,

2) SWIM was ripped off and isn't smoking S. divinorum.

There's nothing we can do for possibility 2), but as for 1), smoking S. div. is not like smoking tobacco or cannabis. The technique is quite different. In order to achieve breakthrough effects, one needs to get a sufficient dose in the first two hits. Because of the extremely fast buildup of tolerance, any more smoked after that will have essentially no effect. For this reason, the first hit should be very large, as large as possible. Much larger than a standard hit of cannabis. One must attempt to completely fill the lungs, and hold the smoke in for as long as possible, and then a little longer. Then repeat with the second hit. If this is done correctly, it should be difficult or impossible to take a third hit.

There is no point in smoking your half a gram. If smoked correctly, it will only take maybe 50-100mg to achieve breakthrough (this is just an approximation). Make sure that the smoking technique is correct, or the herb will just be wasted.

Some time later (perhaps a half hour to an hour, nobody isn't sure of the exact timing), provided one does not continue to smoke the Sage, tolerance will go back down, and it should be possible to achieve a breakthrough again. Although why someone would want to do it repeatedly is beyond me.

Hope that helps.

[informer_]

Hey, when Swim first done sally he went traight in with 40x, and swim just got amazingly funny giggles and feeling real hot and sweaty, the next time swim done it sally blew his mind be carefull with this drug, swim went into a different world with this and didnt like it when swim was there, swim experience is in the sally experience sticky if anyone wants to read.

[informer_]

Swim thinks once is definitly enough for 1 day, maybe try it again the next day.