Addiction - Your Opinion: How often could 10 mg Herion be taken, and still avoid all tolerance?

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Your opinions wanted

How often could a person get a 10mg (IV) dose of Herion, and not get any negative effects if discontinuing it abruptly and not having to increase the dose at some point to get the same effects as one intially would.

SWIM doesn't ask were the line would go for him, but more like where does others think the line would go, just in general.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Are you taking about medical grade Diacetylmorphine?Otherwise, then how did you find an exact dose?

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Yes, pure diacetylmorphine. Kind of hard to say anything about the dose otherwise. "100mg" could be less then "50mg", depending on purity... You know this very well.

Erowid lists 10mg as a 'common dose'. So that's what's used in the poll. The point isn't really "10mg" or not 10mg, the point was really a 'normal dose'.

thanks for voting you opinion

[yaba]

The author of the heroine handbook, said on his website: use once then don't use again for 72 hours to avoid addiction.

So twice a week should be "safe"

Don't let it fool you, heroine addiction creeps up and won't easily let go !

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good info! Great that you take the time to look this up.

[RoboCodeine7610]

The author of the heroine handbook, said on his website: use once then don't use again for 72 hours to avoid addiction.

That's what swim told himself before doing CODEINE which is like 100s of times weaker than H and he couldn't do it.He ended up with a daily (or almost daily) habit of about 250mg.

So Swim can't even imagine how you could possibly control yourself when it comes to heroin, or at least for swim anyways.Maybe he just has an addictive personality and this does not apply to everyone.

[cra$h]

yea, swim went through a percocet/vicodine phase. opiate addiction's a tricky little fucker. you don't see it as an addiction, but you have a new excuse every time you use. Swim can't imagine using heroin as just something to over a weekend to chill out. to swim, heroin is used for those who give up in this cold, horrible place we call earth, and want complete nullification, not giving a shit about anyone, not even themselves. (and swim's about to cross that point. Heroin would be GREAT.)

"But hey, when you live in Watts, you need a little smack to get by, you know what I mean? You need something soft and comfortable in your life, 'cause you're not going to get it from what's around you. And society isn't going to give it to you."
Jerry Garcia

sorry for going a little off-topic.

[Jasim]

Every time swim has managed to go for some period of time without using, that evil thought always pops up "Hey, My tolerance is probably gone now!" Then BAM. And the tolerance comes back within 2-3 days.

I guess everyone is different, but has swiy ever used heroin?

I think this question is a complicated one.
1. How often could someone use without being overcome by the desire to use higher doses or more frequently?
2. How often could someone use without a developing tolerance to the high?

The body seeks to constantly maintain homeostasis. Many drugs show obvious signs of tolerance with a single dose. Saying that tolerance effects are not obvious, does not imply that tolerance has not yet started to develop.

Answering my own questions with opinions:

1. As a long-time opiate addict, swim knows that using something as strong and fast acting as IV heroin would be extremely difficult to resist. Swim doubts very much that someone could easily go a week or more between such dosings. And even if someone could go for a week between dosings, swim thinks that the addiction would already be starting at the first or second time, and the desire to use would only increase to the point where one could NOT go for a week without dosing.

2. This is an interesting question. Swim is constantly battling tolerance. Considering the half life of heroin and the onset of withdrawal symptoms after cessation of use. Swim has always wondered if someone could dose, enjoy the high, then on the come down use an opiate antagonist such as naloxone to "reset" the body in order to prevent any tolerance development. And then re-dose after the Naloxone is gone without a loss of tolerance. Naloxone has a short enough half life for this to be possible.


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Okay, after some consideration (about 2 hours!), not considering ANY psychological dependence issues at all. I would agree with twice a week being the maximum, spaced by at least 2-3 days between dosing and not taking a dose larger than 10mg and abstaining from using any other substance which could cause cross tolerance or metabolic induction. This would probably result in no development of tolerance. Good question btw. Get's my brain juices flowing.

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Interesting thought to a good debate!

[Junkhead23]

SWIM said 2 days a week. SWIM reckons this is about right as he has done this before

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In the European Addiction Severity Index, they have this question for onset of use.

When did you begin to use the substance - (heroin was used as an example in their text).

A) At least three days per week (irrespective of dosage); or:
B) in "binges" for at least two consecutive days per week, i.e, to the point where it compromises normal activities, such as work, school, family life, other recreational activities, or common everyday life activities, such
as car driving, etc..

NOTE: "Binge use" is mainly restricted to cocaine, alcohol and even some other drugs (e.g., amphetamines).

Psycological addiction can occur despite this. Of course.

If anyone has other info on this subject, than please post.

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Good information

[Naked Lunch]

Even if you can only use once or twice a week for a while you'll find four things happening. 1. For the 5-6 days you don't use you will be thinking about using and impatiently awaiting the "using day" to arrive. 2. You WILL, after some time start using more than twice a week. 3. Every new day of using will become super special with a super special exception as to why you can use on an off day. 5. You WILL start to build a tolerance to Heroin and you WILL become addicted eventually, its inevitable.

We've all tried what you are proposing and the fact is, it doesn't work, take it from a junkie of 14 years.

Play with fire and you get burnt!!!

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Table 3.4 Prevalence of Drug Use and Dependence Among the General Population (from UKCIA)

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Table legend. The table shows estimates for the proportion of people among the general population who used or became dependent on different types of drugs. The proportion of users that ever became dependent includes anyone who was ever dependent - whether it was for a period of weeks or years - and thus includes more than those who are currently dependent. The diagnosis of drug dependence used in this study was based on DSM-III-R criteria. Adapted from table 2 in Anthony and coworkers (1994).


Compared to most other drugs listed in this table, dependence among marijuana users is relatively rare. This might be due to differences in the specific drug effects; in the availability of, or penalties associated with the use of, the different drugs -- or, some combination of these possible reasons.


Note that the percent listed are from the Epidemiological Catchment Area study, and (of people who ever used marijuana) (46 %), are higher than that reported by the National Household Survey on Drug abuse (32%). The differences are likely due to different survey methods (for discussion see Kandel 1992).


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Naturally, a heroin addiction and a tobacco addiction isn't equally bad. But is may give an indication of the chances of getting addicted - by thier criteria.

[OsCarwild]

This varies significantly by person. Whatever you decide though you HAVE GOT TO stick to it. SWIM told himself he would only use oxycontin twice a week and now he is using twice a day. Opiates are tricky to use in moderation. Be careful

[xxdan123xx]

just curious what does it mean in the chart when it says porportion of people who have ever used different types drugs

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Like I've written earler, naturally - a tobacco addcition and a heroin addiction are two totally different things. But it's quite interesting to see how many of those who have used a substance (ot least once) who become addicted of it (by their standards).

The operate with the number that 76% have used tobacco. Pretty many people have used tobacco at least once. So it's a broad group.

And they have the number 2% for ever having used heroin. This groups is a much more narrow and perhaps specific than the tobacco group. Many of those who chose to try it does this depite the fact that it is illegal. And I am sure there are many other broad characteristics which applies to many in that groups, such as a relativly low threshold for taking risks etc.

But despite this, there are more of those who have used it, who become addicted to tobacco, than heroin.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

wow...SWIYcocainetutorial can get off on 10 mgs? That must be the purest dope in the world, pharmaceutical quality. Most people, even non-addicts, require a dose of 50-100 mgs to get off, the typical amount sold in a "bag" on the street. Damn, that must be good dope. Be careful with it.

[outtherebrother]

this prohibition is straight bullshit... It is actually doing more harm than good...think about there being a lot less accidental overdoses and if it was regulated and maybe even administered to those who wanted for safety. Prohibition creates black markets, which create crime, which adds up more robbery from tax payers to pay for more crime stoppers...so we have prohibition why?


cptswimmer stopped doing the brown and cptswimmer be glad...way to much bullshit involved. smoke the cannabis/hashish