Other - Street drugs vs pharmacy drugs

[Tony Williams]

If SWIM went onto the street and picked up so much amount of street speed (amphetamine), then he went and got a box of Adderall, what would be the difference (apart from legal/illegal). I mean would street speed be worse because it's 5%-15% on average or would it be better because it's a different amphetamine salt or something?

Like wise with methamphetamines, if SWIM got Desoxyn and snorted it would that be the same or similer to street meth?

[ImSoHappy]

The short answer would be yes they are the same drugs, i.e. street methamphetamine and desoxyn. But there are two things to consider, 1. dose and 2. route of administration. Consider SWIM buys half a gram of methamphetamine on the street, then for the sake of easy math lets say its 50% pure. So 500mg (1/2 gram) then factoring in the cut would be 250mg of methamphetamine. Many recreational users would go through that it one day. While the pharmaceutical dose comes in 5, 10, 20mg doses for a single day. If one were to snort or swallow 25 of the 10mg desoxyn compared with snorting/swalloing 250mg of street methamphetamine (which you really have no way of gauging the purity of street meth) I'd say they would have the same exact effects. But then again many recreational users smoke/shoot up the drug which I believe (could be wrong on this) cannot be done with pharmaceutical meth due to the fillers in the pill (stuff used to make the pill other than the active ingredient). Also snorting 25 10mg desoxyn would leave ALOT of filler and binders in the pill up in your nose/nasal cavities. But yah after that long ass rant (street) methamphetamine and desoxyn are the same thing.

Note: 250mg of methamphetamine to someone with no tolerance could easily give them a stroke or a heart attack.

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Originally Posted by ImSoHappy

The short answer would be yes they are the same drugs, i.e. street methamphetamine and desoxyn. But there are two things to consider, 1. dose and 2. route of administration. Consider SWIM buys half a gram of methamphetamine on the street, then for the sake of easy math lets say its 50% pure. So 500mg (1/2 gram) then factoring in the cut would be 250mg of methamphetamine. Many recreational users would go through that it one day. While the pharmaceutical dose comes in 5, 10, 20mg doses for a single day. If one were to snort or swallow 25 of the 10mg desoxyn compared with snorting/swalloing 250mg of street methamphetamine (which you really have no way of gauging the purity of street meth) I'd say they would have the same exact effects. But then again many recreational users smoke/shoot up the drug which I believe (could be wrong on this) cannot be done with pharmaceutical meth due to the fillers in the pill (stuff used to make the pill other than the active ingredient). Also snorting 25 10mg desoxyn would leave ALOT of filler and binders in the pill up in your nose/nasal cavities. But yah after that long ass rant (street) methamphetamine and desoxyn are the same thing.

Note: 250mg of methamphetamine to someone with no tolerance could easily give them a stroke or a heart attack.

That's correct...smoking/snorting pills is extremely unhealthy due to the binders in the pill. Most of the binder is some sort of starch...think about what it does to the collar of a shirt, then imagine the same thing happening to veins or lungs...yeah, not a good thing.

As the post above this read, the chemical in street meth and Desoxyn is exactly the same (dextromethamphetamine Hydrochloride). However, street meth is likely to be cut with both active and inactive ingredients, such as caffeine, so it's possible that even if SWIY is to figure out the exact purity of a dose of street meth, there may be material in the hit that affects SWIY's body differently than a controlled dose of Desoxyn would.

Biovavailability is also a problem. Desoxyn comes with the instruction to take the tabs orally. When absorbed through the GI tract, amphetamines have about a 25% BA. However, when insufflated this number skyrockets to around 75% BA, and through IV injection, around 99% BA, meaning much more of the drug reaches your CNS.

[Dexyfiend]

Long story short...

Pharm grade always trumps street grade.

ALWAYS. Unless SWIY's getting it straight from the top made by some geezer with his/her masters in chem/pharm.

[_kim_]

Swim is usually in the opiate boards. Swim just discovered amphetamines and has been learning more on this site. Is there anything over the counter that compares to the feelings from like ritalin? Swim can't locate ritalin at any 'stores' and doesn't know where the right 'doctors' are either. Looking for a home/over the counter substitue until swim is more educated.



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Swim is way too old to be "new" to anything. But swim has to start somewere!

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Originally Posted by _kim_

Looking for a home/over the counter substitue until swim is more educated.

SWIM has read reports of people who have bought Benzedrex decongestant inhalers, cracking them open, and swallowing the cotton rods contained in the plastic. While SWIM has never personally tried this, the usual response is that the while taste is HORRIBLE and nausea sometimes reaches awful levels, eating the rods does produce a long lasting, noticeable amount of both peripheral and central stimulation. SWIM would recommend eating 2 tums prior to ingestion to lower stomach acidity (thereby promoting absorbtion of the Propylhexedrine), and to avoid any of the menthol or camphor taste getting on SWIY's tongue, wrap the cotton rod in a fruit roll up!

[ImSoHappy]

Propylhexedrine/levomethamphetamine will cause a little stimulation and such, probably closer to caffeine than dextroamphetamine(dexedrine) dextromethamphetamine(desoxyn) or methylphenidate(ritalin). SWIM doesn't think you will find anything otc comparible to any of those three above.

[OverdoseDelusion]

Originally Posted by ImSoHappy

Propylhexedrine/levomethamphetamine will cause a little stimulation and such, probably closer to caffeine than dextroamphetamine(dexedrine) dextromethamphetamine(desoxyn) or methylphenidate(ritalin). SWIM doesn't think you will find anything otc comparible to any of those three above.

<shrug> SWIM actually finds propylhexedrine (Benzedrex) to be far stronger than caffeine, closer to amphetamine salts or something similar. But of course, YMMV.

The taste of the cotton and resulting nausea is indeed horrible, but SWIM finds Benzedrex to actually be pretty similar in effects to amphetamine and produces some pleasant euphoria and tingling sensations.

[Tony Williams]

Let's say my pet cat bought some street speed (amphetamine), what type of *amphetamine would that typically be? Because I hear a lot of different types like dextroamphetamine? (set methamptehamine aside)

[ImSoHappy]

Well I dont know where SWIY lives. SWIM lives in America where almost all "speed" sold on the street would probably have the active ingredient methamphetamine. But if SWIY lives in the UK, then it would most likely be dextroamphetamine (thats what ive heard/read cant be 100% sure).
Just for reference when people use the term amphetamines they are refering to either levo-amphetamine, dexto-amphetamine, or meth-amphetamine. Levo-amphetamine is sold over the counter and isn't really all that much of a pyschoactive drug, mostly will just clear up your sinuses in SWIM's opinion. Even the experienced amphetamine user probably wouldn't be able to differentiate between methamphetamine and dextroamphetamine if they were buying street product. So if you live in the UK then the answer to your question would most likely be dextroamphetamine, if you live in the U S of A then most likely methamphetamine.

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Originally Posted by ImSoHappy

Just for reference when people use the term amphetamines they are refering to either levo-amphetamine, dexto-amphetamine, or meth-amphetamine. Levo-amphetamine is sold over the counter and isn't really all that much of a pyschoactive drug, mostly will just clear up your sinuses in SWIM's opinion. Even the experienced amphetamine user probably wouldn't be able to differentiate between methamphetamine and dextroamphetamine if they were buying street product. So if you live in the UK then the answer to your question would most likely be dextroamphetamine, if you live in the U S of A then most likely methamphetamine.

Actually, methamphetamine is also a chiral compound, just as regular amphetamine is. In actuality, dextromethamphetamine is the actual chemical name for street meth, while levomethamphetamine is the drug found in Vick's nasal inhalers. As seems to be the case with amphetamine, the dextro- molecule primarily stimulates the central nervous system and be much more psychoactive than the levo- stereoisomer, which is almost strictly physically stimulation.

If SWIM had to guess, he thinks that even a person who is fairly new to the world of stimulants would be able to feel the difference between dextroamphetamine and dextromethamphetamine, as the latter is significantly more potent than the former.

[ImSoHappy]

Maybe if swiy got two tablets (1 dextro 1 meth) both of pharmaceutical grade and were told they were the same dose in mg and took them on seperate days. But if it was street grade then i dont think so. Based on the varying purity of street product I doubt somone could tell the difference. But if SWIY says he can SWIM has no authority to tell him hes wrong.