TEK - make your own spice

[0utrider]

How could I go about Making spice myself?

very easily.. get urself:
a glass (preferably deep) baking dish (decently sized)
small spray bottle/atomizer (the kind you might find a breath sanitizer in, or zicam spray bottles work well for me)
base herb/blend
base chem (jwh-018 is my preference)
acetone (pure IPA will work, but I've had a time finding it inexpensive)
and follow the simple instructions below



What is JWH soluble in?
pure acetone (look into nail polish removers )

What are some base herbs that I could add my JWH to?
if you have the money:
Leonotis leonurus (flowers)
Pedicularis densiflora(Flowers)
Nymphaea caerulea (flowers)
Leonurus sibiricus flowers if you can find them

will make a very nice blend for your $$

alternatively you could buy just the foliage, or if you really wanna go cheap, damiana is your ticket.. $6 for 114gms... tastes good.



how exactly do I do this?
1: spread your broken up herb over the baking dish
2: measure out 100ml of acetone
3: disolve 100mg of jwh into your acetone (which is .1gms so if you have even a crappy scale you can measure that ammount atleast between 100 and 150mg.)
4: remeasure your liquie, you may have gained a few ml
5: either evap down to 100ml, or take your current measurement, 100/current ML, this is your ratio number (if you have exactly 100ml, your ratio number is 1)
5: figure out how much JWH you want per Gram(x), multiply that by how many grams you have(y),multiply THAT by your ratio number(r) and use that many ML ((x*y*r=ML)) (good math for use with multiple grams of JWH, when you don't want to wait for 6 ml exactly to evap... )
7: if you have any acetone left, cap it off, and set it to the side for later.


a warm pan may help the acetone dry faster, I personally pack loosly 3/4 a cigar tube full of herbs and pour the acetone in untill it gets to the bottom, and let it all dry. For this I dilute the acetone 3x-5x, so that the entire tube will become moist. once the top begins to dry, you can pour the herbs out and allow them to dry on a pan. (ex. 1 (glass) cigar tube can hold almost 10 grams of shredded herbs correctly, so if you were to match spice you'd put 30ml of acetone, I do 5g at a time and use 50ml usually. if you are trying to get a higher concentration than 10mg/g you should spray it, if you want EXTREMELY high concentrations, I'd suggest this method, but allowing it to try fully in the tube and applying more acetone, it's the best way to make 100mg/g+, it's very crystaly, and you barely even need to light it..)

got any suggestions on how to spray your herbs?

cover as much of the bottom of the pan as you can.. I use a 10x10 inch glass baking dish, and usually fill it about 1 1/2 inch up, so that as little as possible will need to touch the bottom or sides. Spray twards the center always, never twards the edges. Spray 5 or 10 times, and then stir. this will keep everything a similar potency, especially if you stir it enough. If you are using buds, I'll suggest a different method)

what if I want to put some JWH onto some bud, or possibly a whole flower Such as the Pedicularis densiflora?

I'd suggest a dip method. take your solution of JWH and just dip your buds in, and allow them to dry... you'll figure out with trial and error how much to use. as a suggestion, dip while on a very precise scale... You'll figure out how many .001g = 1ml easily by drawing 1ml from the dip dish, and this figure will allow you to find how many ML you've used in your dip. if you find your bud is WAY too strong, simply dilute your acetone by half and try again.. multiple dips will make buds stronger if you don't stir.

personally, spice is too weak, 3mg per gram is not enough. I put 10mg per gram for my friend's blends, and 20 or 30 on my own.. just so I don't have to smoke much to get high. the bases are dirt cheap, so it's not really a big deal, I could make it selling 50mg/g bags..

note, if you purchase foliage, some of what you get will be unuseable for that purpose.


questions or comments welcome.

found this on some website

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	thank you, wouldnt use myself, but useful for the community
	Nice idea
	excellent tec, interesting information about Spice
	It was VERY helpful for swim. The OP's Tek saved swim alot of money.
	excellent,informative post for benefit of OP-as usual.thank-you & well-done

[instant sapling mk.II]

very interesting
is JWH-018 at all obtainable to the layman?

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you are basically inviting others to break tyhe sources rule.

[theshiftyshaman]

could you use mj as your host plant and make really strong MJ?
just a thought swim has

[nibble]

Originally Posted by theshiftyshaman

could you use mj as your host plant and make really strong MJ?
just a thought swim has

Well sure a SWIMmer could do that if they wanted to. But SWIM would say go with the acetone as a solvent, bud is a lot more fluffly and absorbant than damiana or other similar herbs and the IPA might prove more difficult to evaporate. Actually that very thing has been on SWIM's mind, creating a super-bud sounds quite intriuging..

[theshiftyshaman]

Originally Posted by nibble

Well sure a SWIMmer could do that if they wanted to. But SWIM would say go with the acetone as a solvent, bud is a lot more fluffly and absorbant than damiana or other similar herbs and the IPA might prove more difficult to evaporate. Actually that very thing has been on SWIM's mind, creating a super-bud sounds quite intriuging..

swim may try this as soon as he can get his hands on a few ingridients

[Garethn]

regarding the obove post

swim was wondering is acetone realy strong in smell....?like other solvents..
in other words would it ruin the smell of the cannabis

this would be interesting swiy could strengthen pour quality weed....

also could swim make a sort of hash using legal hash and then cutting it with jwh-018 to actualy make sum sort of legal hash that would actualy give swim sum sort of high...?

[deadmoap]

Acetone has a smell, but it wont linger on the bud once it evaporates (unless it is not clean acetone). So it shouldn't ruin the smell. But swim has read JWH-018 has a smell and that might be strong enough to make the bud smell different.

As for the legal hash, as Abrad pointed out in another thread, it would not be advisable due to the needed knowledge and experience of creating a homogeneous mixture, otherwise you might end up with hotspots of JWH-018 which could lead to accidentally overdosing.

[CoryInJapan]

Originally Posted by deadmoap

As for the legal hash, as Abrad pointed out in another thread, it would not be advisable due to the needed knowledge and experience of creating a homogeneous mixture, otherwise you might end up with hotspots of JWH-018 which could lead to accidentally overdosing.

Swim will stick to regular hash...Easier to make and you cant overdose haha

Good ol marry jane

[Stu Bai]

Surely inhaling acetone cant be all that good? Makes me concerned that they may be using acetone in legal bud production.

[nibble]

Originally Posted by Stu Bai

Surely inhaling acetone cant be all that good? Makes me concerned that they may be using acetone in legal bud production.

The point is that acetone is a volatile solvent, meaning that it evaporates very easily. You would dissolve the compound in the solvent and spray this onto the herb, the acetone will then easily evaporate when left out to dry leaving just the compound behind.
Acetone is relatively safe anyway once large amounts aren't ingested.

[Stu Bai]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Alfa]

Spraying would not result in a homogeneous amount of jwh-018. It would likely result in having high amounts of JWH-018 in some parts, while having low amounts and nothing in other parts.

Acetone is highly flammable and a severe irritant when inhaled, so impartial evaporation will result in some very unpleasant surprises. Acetone will quickly evaporate when it is in open environment, but it is a different matter when it is inside plant matter.

Before doing do this, better make sure to receive the Certificate of Analysis with GC/MS to affirm JWH-018 purity.

[Stu Bai]

Do Swimmers think the method described in this thread is at all simmilar to the methods used by the makers of these smoking blends? I always tried to imagine what the 'spice factory' would look like .

[deadmoap]

Alfa, that is a good point. Even if one were to completely submerge the bud in acetone (the only way I can think of to create the most homogeneous mixture), one would probably need to let the bud dry out completely. I'm assuming that you are implying that even if there is no more smell of acetone, it could still be trapped inside the plant matter in very minute amounts... this may be possible.

I imagine that in the legal bud production, the manufacturers use either a non-dangerous solvent (water is the only one I can think of, JWH-018 is a little soluble in water), or let the bud completely dry out to a crisp and then remoisturize it (or maybe leave it crisp dry -- swim hasn't tried spice).

[sg43]

Very good tut, have you tried mint leaves?

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Stu Bai

Do Swimmers think the method described in this thread is at all simmilar to the methods used by the makers of these smoking blends? I always tried to imagine what the 'spice factory' would look like .

The psychedeli released a document on their production methods once, to counter allegations of carcinogenic solvents being present. They use food grade alcohol. I have added the document below. The 3rd page has the info on solvents. The document also shows that the psychedeli uses a complex herb base that is designed to give a pleasant 'aroma'. Ignore the quarrel with their ex-distributor and scroll down to the analysis report.

Originally Posted by deadmoap

Alfa, that is a good point. Even if one were to completely submerge the bud in acetone (the only way I can think of to create the most homogeneous mixture), one would probably need to let the bud dry out completely. I'm assuming that you are implying that even if there is no more smell of acetone, it could still be trapped inside the plant matter in very minute amounts... this may be possible.

Solvents would have to be sucked out of the herbs.

[Alfa]

Solvents would have to be sucked out of the herbs.

[i_illegal]

hi there,nice guide
Some jwh-018 is on the way and he asks if it is a good idea to spray dissolved jwh in tobbaco,for example 50grams of tobacco sprayed with the appropriate amount of jwh.Would this work?As already a smoker could maybe could find easier to decrease the amount of daily smoking by doing it only when he wants to get some high.
Just a thought

[Garethn]

Originally Posted by i_illegal

hi there,nice guide
Some jwh-018 is on the way and he asks if it is a good idea to spray dissolved jwh in tobbaco,for example 50grams of tobacco sprayed with the appropriate amount of jwh.Would this work?As already a smoker could maybe could find easier to decrease the amount of daily smoking by doing it only when he wants to get some high.
Just a thought

hmmm it depends wat swiy uses to spray it with..??the only problem with rolling tobacco its already moist and if swiy sprays it with acetone swiy would hav 2 wait until it totaly drys and realy dry tobbacco is a bit harsh then mix that with wateva the taste of jwh-018 is swim wouldn't like this swim hates realy dry tobacco not only that you would probably have to know what acetone dose to all the other chems mixed in with the tobacco anyway swims not realy keen on this acetone idea...

[killersnowman]

Originally Posted by Garethn

hmmm it depends wat swiy uses to spray it with..??the only problem with rolling tobacco its already moist and if swiy sprays it with acetone swiy would hav 2 wait until it totaly drys and realy dry tobbacco is a bit harsh then mix that with wateva the taste of jwh-018 is swim wouldn't like this swim hates realy dry tobacco not only that you would probably have to know what acetone dose to all the other chems mixed in with the tobacco anyway swims not realy keen on this acetone idea...

you know... mixing this chemical in with an already moist tobacco product might actually be easier. swim has in the past made his own shisha for his hookah. now the shisha had glycerin in it. its not too thick and you could probaly get a good mix of jwh in it. then mix well into your tobaccy and hit it in the hooka. with the amount of product smoked in the hookah the concentration of jwh would have to be pretty low. wich is a good thing. just smoke some more. swim knows its not perfect and the distro of jwh would be inconsistent but it might be better than letting the jwh out of solution with drying acetone.

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great suggestion

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by i_illegal

hi there,nice guide
Some jwh-018 is on the way and he asks if it is a good idea to spray dissolved jwh in tobbaco,for example 50grams of tobacco sprayed with the appropriate amount of jwh.Would this work?As already a smoker could maybe could find easier to decrease the amount of daily smoking by doing it only when he wants to get some high.
Just a thought

Have you read the above??

No, spraying does not work.

[i_illegal]

hey there,
swim.thanks you for your answers
To the point
Swim doesnt care much about the harshness of dry tobbaco, by the means that he may smoke a couple of cigs per day or something.And yeah,the acetone idea combined with rolling tobacco chems is something that swim should think of. swim usualy uses tobbaco with any smoking blend or bud.The think is that he hopes that he could skip the part with the herbs from this guide and have a similar result or something.
Any sujestions on this matter?Swim will really appreciate it.

[honourableone]

Seriously, read the whole thread.

Originally Posted by Alfa

Have you read the above??

No, spraying does not work.

[DrManglay]

SWIM is having trouble identifying which solvent to use for this. Nail polish remover, being industrial-grade acetone, seems inappropriate.

Because USP acetone is controlled, SWIM may use Everclear (95% ethanol). Would another solvent, assuming it is available in food grade, be a better choice?

SWIM is considering using dessicants to avoid vacuuming fluid out of the herbs, but is unsure if this would work.

[DrManglay]

FWIW, the current Journal of Analytical Chemistry speculates that the makers of Spice spray it:

Auwrter hypothesizes that the producers buy cannabinoids from laboratories in China or other countries that offer cheap organic syntheses, dissolve the compounds in a solvent, spray the solution on the plant material, and evaporate the solvent before packaging the herbal mixtures.

hxxp://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/ac900564u?cookieSet=0#h6

Hotspots will arise with any application method. Given the ACS opinion, SWIM is confused by the assertions here that "spraying does not work." Why not?

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Interesting find. It would be interesting to see what they based that assertion on. Keep up the good work :)