Health - Safety issues of single dose MDMA(pure) with certain health probs.

[Rainbowzz]

Okay, SWIM quit everything pretty much when she got pregnant two years ago. But, Swim has been thinking it would be nice to do a dose of molly at the outdoor festival this year. Nothing incredibly high in amount or anything, just one, single, normal 120mg dose.

Now, the problem - SWIM now has high blood pressure, which is controlled through the use of beta blockers. SWIM also sometimes get palpitations, and has for years, has been evaluated and told that they are in no way dangerous and are just caused by anxiety.

So the question - a few questions actually -

IF swim decides to dose - does any swiy know about combinations in the effect of beta blockers and pure molly? SWIM read that often beta blockers are used to treat palpitations associated with MDMA dosing, but that you absolutely CANNOT use beta blockers when any sort of amphetamine has been used. So one would suppose she would be ok, as long as she was sure it was pure and nothing else in it.

SWIM could theoretically be armed with both beta blockers and benzos, in case something goes wrong and she needs to bring her self down. SWIM also would not fear going to the hospital should something go terribly awry, but thats of course not the way she wants the dose to go.. and she certainly doesnt want to go into it and end up having an infarction or something...

Now the obvious thing here is duh, just dont do it. But, swim is kind of stupid and risky that way sometimes, so shes wondering what information members can drag up about the supposed safety/unsafety of this.

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[Greenport]

Well, swiM's box is no doctor. The best thing it can say is if swiY does plan to do it in the end, how about perhaps starting with a half and if that doesn't work well, later on she can take the other half. Note that MDMA is indeed an amphetamine (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine) although it targets serotonin rather than dopamine which is the reason for the difference in effects. Despite that, it does increase heart rate, and thus likely blood pressure.

SwiY should refrain from consuming caffeine, alcohol, tobacco and other drugs while rolling. If she begins to experience symptoms such as weakness, dizziness, abnormally fast heartrate, or other symptoms generally linked to high blood pressure she should sit down and try to calm her body. Finally if any serious complications do arise, be willing to go to a hospital if it is necessary.

Also, swiM's box doesn't necessarily think it is a great idea to use a drug to come down from another drug. While it may work that way, it could also cause a problem. The best way to 'come down' from ecstasy is to just try to take it easy and chillax

Anyways like swiY mentioned the best way to prevent problems is to not take mdma in the first place but it isn't swiM's place to tell her what to do and not do. It doesn't think that there will be a serious problem as long as caution is taken, but just be prepared ahead of time for anything that can happen.

Be safe, have fun

[Micklemouse]

As Greenport says, MDMA is indeed an amphetamine, so this is not a particularly well-starred idea. A Certain Mouse tells me from his experience that beta-blockers (in particular Propanaolol SR) kill the MDMA experience quite effectively also - by kill the experience he means turns it into a complete waste of MDMA. There are other anecdotal references on other forums about Propanolol attenuating the effects of MDMA. It is always worth remembering that while it has a huge effect on the serotonin sustem, MDMA also has a significant effect on the other neurotransmitters (i.e dopamine, adrenaline), & beta-blockers efectively disable the production of adrenaline.

[Rainbowzz]

yeah. swim is heavily leaning towards just not doing it, and thinks she probably already has her answer, but just wanted to do some exploring. She really gets a huge therapuetic benefit from mdma, so was hoping she could find a way to do it just like, once a year or so.

Will still enjoy any infromation anyone has to offer on the subject!

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I am glad you are smart enough to make an informed decision :)

[Synesthesiac]

For anxeity or palpitations (I get them all the time) I would say that MDMA is very unlikely to effect this much. Things like coke, speed, MDPV and strong stimulants are what will effect this the most, MDMA swim always finds is very light on the heart and general cardiovascular system.

I am no doctor, this is purely from swims personal experience. The best bet would be to not combine them both, if you take a daily beta blocker just leave it off the day you use the MDMA. Probably best to ask your doc if you see him. Some are very relaxed about some peoples lifestyle choices about drug use, but will always generally advise against using anything recreationally by default (unless its a patented profitable drug that they can prescribe, of course)