Opinions - Doing MDMA while children are around?

[DietBlonde]

Here's a hypothetical scenario: Say my sister is coming to visit me with her 5 year old daughter. My sister (first timer) and I take a heavy dose of molly, while my girlfriend stays sober to watch over my niece...and us.

Would it be appropriate to use MDMA in the presence of a child?

In my opinion, I don't think it would be a bad situation. But I could be wrong.

If you readers agree with me, how could I persuade my sister to also be comfortable with the situation? If its a bad idea, please reply!

[therealjoseph]

My opinion regarding your purely hypothetical question is that it is a very bad idea to take a psychoactive of that intensity for the first time in front of ones own daughter. Trying to convince somebody to take a drug in front of there 5 year old child after they expressed that they were uncomfortable with the situation isn't something a person who practiced what I see as good humanity would do.

[bob_arctor]

Agree with previous poster. Also SWIY might want to edit the hypothetical post to be less self-incriminating.

[lineartransform]

Terrible idea. Regardless of how the trip goes, you are opening your sister up to significant risk in terms of custody of her child if things go bad. All it takes are a call to the police because of (noise/suspected drug use/"domestic") caused by (shitty pills/really really good pills/naked dancing/etc).

If you can't explain why it's a good idea, it probably means it's a bad idea.

[DietBlonde]

After reading the replies, I wholeheartedly agree on each point made. I had recently read a story of two people taking mdma around their child and made no issue of it. Made me wonder about the ethics of exposing drug use to children. Also, "Persuade" was a poor choice of wording.

I am quite embarrased I posted this, and wouldn't mind its deletion.

Also, being new to the boards, I know there are ways to avoid self-incrimination. SWIM and SWIY appear to be substitutions. I don't know what they stand for, but will use them for now on.

[MarkyMayhem]

Someone Who Isn't Me, SWIM instead of first person I Me etc.

Someone Who Isn't You, SWIY when refering to the original poster or responding to another's SWIM

[Rainbowzz]

SWIM thinks, even if you have a sitter for the child, its probably a pretty bad idea. Number one, the child may possibly feel uncomfortable when they cant understand why you are acting the way you are(differently). And what if (Godess forbid!) something were to happen in the nature of an emergency.. lets just say SWIY had a bad reaction, or the child suddenly spiked an emergency type fever...

If you had to go to the hospital with the child and anyone thought you were trippin you could lose custody of your child.

What about having the child go for the night to the friends house? So that you have the time alone?

[geezaman]

Various apes, goldfish, and pandas have been known to get up to activities which members here post about, creativity is usually welcomed .

To SWIYs (Someone Who Is Not You, cus you wouldn't break any laws) hypothetical situation it sounds a bit irresponsible, and to anyone who does not understand/has not taken drugs could be seen as highly irresponsible.

However

SWIM often drops at a friend's house with her and other mutual friends, on the past 10 or so occasions her younger sister (about 5yo) has been in the house, and often spent some of the time with us. SWIM and Co have all used E many times before and so can control themselves if need be, and also have an idea of what to expect. Also importantly (SWIM feels) No drugs are consumed or on show infront of the youngster, and all she knows is that everyone is happy, talking alot more and excited, and also more happy to enter into her make believe play and give her attention.

Although SWIM wouldn't choose to drop around a child, in the situation as described by SWIM no (known) problems have occurred, and it feels pretty safe. With 5 or so people there are enough people to keep each other in check (i.e. the naked dancing mentioned by lineartransform) and also enough people to share her if she becomes demanding.
Regarding the Situation SWIY describes in their OP SWIM would suggest it a bad idea on 2 points, firstly, it being a first time experience, secondly a "Heavy" dose of molly.
Even with all the Ecstasy good vibes it could be a freak out train-wreck just waiting to happen.

On only one experience has SWIM heard a child crying while he was on ecstasy (and this was not in relation to the situation he mentioned above), it was while walking through town, and it was very annoying, distressing, and upsetting all rolled into one, it was also difficult to forget. If SWIM was rolling and he had a kid of his own that was upset he cant imagine how he'd feel.

Just SWIMs 2, no 4, no ..... well lots of cents

Peace,
Geezaman

[Ilsa]

^^^yup that pretty much nails it. basically, swiy wants to place the best interests of the child as top priority, and a safe environment (not saying swiy would intentionally cause a dangerous situation, but strange things, wonderful and awful, can happen while under the influence) is the top priority with a kid around. find a grandparent or trusted friend with whom the child can stay overnight, perhaps.

[riririwho]

Really the answer should be no! Around babies then defo No, you can accidentally neglect the child/baby on MD etc, which of course you would not mean to do and if anything went wrong you could not forgive the mistake made, best not to risk, specially with younger ones who are none independant.

[pinksox]

SWIM has to say she agrees with the majority of swimmers here. SWIM doesn't agree with drug use with child present in general. Not even lovely MaryJane. And SWIM is very glad that SWIY's hypothetical sis is not too keen on the idea...it says she has a bit of common sense and responsibilty for her child's physical, emotional, and social well-being at heart.

SWIM concurs it's a bad idea also because a 5-year-old child has a strong connection to their primary caregiver and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that said child is not going to know, and acutely know, that something is amiss with their parent.

Not to mention, as other SWIM's have said, the fact that it would be SWIY's sis's first experience and that they'd be heavy-hitting. SWIM thinks that's not smart in general for a first time user. Doing so is irresponsible...doing so in front of any kids is just dumb beyond belief in SWIM's opinion.

A sitter helps out a bit...but it still doesn't negate the primary fact the SWIM presented...in that her child will undoubtedly know something is, "not right" with their mother. That in itself could be quite stressful for them. That doesn't even get into the fact that, again as someone mentioned, is something were to go wrong the kid would REALLY be traumatized AND EMS and the PD would likely become involved. Which, of course, would prompt a mandatory report to social services and would most likely result in some child custody issues. Again, very traumatizing to a kid.

We won't even get into all the studies that correlate a childs' exposure to parental drug use with a person's likelihood to use and abuse drugs as teens and adults themselves...but I'm sure SWIY could google a few if they chose. For all these reasons...and probably a few more that escape SWIM at the moment, they think this would be an exceedingly bad idea.

[Alfa]

although i much doubt drug use by parents would be traumatising, i do think it is unwise to do.
children carefully watch and sense their parents and their suroundings. they learn from it and replicate behaviour. when showing bizarre behaviour under the influence of mdma,this can be picked up by the child. a friend of fubar had a special eye-wiggle to denote that ecstasy's effects where at their best. as he invited fubar and friends while kids where sleeping, their kids could awaken and experience the weird going pro, so to speak. years later fubar went saww one of the kids, but now a teen. drunk with the special eye wiggle.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Most interesting - wonder if there indeed is a direct correlation there.

[420massacre]

dont do drugs like mdma,coke etc. when your looking after young kids. atleast wait for them to fall asleep first, youd be setting a bad example for them if your under the influence of a drug. like hell, i wouldnt want my kids to have the same life i have.

[Rainbowzz]

Swim wanted to add that she feels its a respect thing too. Children deserve to have sober, responsible adults around.. the same as you wouldn't want to force your drug use on someone who disagrees. Although children don't necessarily disagree, but swim thinks its better to be sober. And you can definetly enjoy creative play with the child just as well when you are sober. Just let the kid in you come out

[freshacejay]

SWIM loves drugs but children nead stability. SWIM would refrain from drug use untill the child ist 18.

[Boca Bitch]

I have to agree with the general consensus here. Why in God's name would anyone choose to expose a child to that? SWIM does more than his share of fucking around, but would never consider exposing his brothers to himself while intoxicated.. and they're 11 and 12. Now I don't mean to sound judgemental... we all make mistakes.. but I want to stress how innapropriate the whole situation is.

At least have SWIY's gf take the child out for the day.

[Greenport]

While generally itd probably be alright, it isn't really a good influence for the kids. At that age, children soak up information like a sponge and if they see what's going on there, they're going to certainly remember it. Also, if swiY plans on doing something like that at any point, he should think about taking a low to moderate dosage, and to go do something fun and new with the kids elsewhere, that way swiY can have fun which in turn will help the kids to have fun too

Example, go to the park and play around some...on MDMA swiY would be more than willing to chase the little gremlins around the park and push them on swings etc, and it can, with careful planning and safety taken into consideration, turn out to be a wonderful day for all. Happiness rubs off

Don't have any on swiY when in the presence of the kids tho. That's a bad situation if swiY were to get in any kind of trouble.

I'll say it straight out though, a 'heavy' dose of molly is a stupid idea. One should have at most a light dose just to make the day a happy one.

[enhancion01]

hmmm what about the drug seeping out of swiy's pores...

swim was once having sex in a shower and noticed how silky swims gf's skin was...

swim has also noticed this on other swimmers bodys on mdma... a silky kind of sweat swim always assumed was the drugs coming out of ones pores...

if true mabey this is why swiy shouldent take ecstacy while watching kids

+ wont it just kill your trip lol

[sandoz1943]

Glad everyone seems to be on the same page here. MDMA + Kids not a good idea. Two things I wanted to add. Children and animals can pick up on mood and mental state. Potential for a real bad time for all involved. Also shit happens and it tends to happen at the most inconvient times. Should the child become ill suddenly or become injured the doctor/hospitol will need the consent of the mother or father to treat the child. SWIM has a friend who had a sober adult in house and the kiddies were asleep in thier bed (so everyone thought) Kids faked the grownups out and got up to play. SWIMs friends daughter cut herself and had to be rushed to the hospitol for stiches. The story could have ended pretty bad had protectice services been involved. You just never know what could happen. Children need to be protected and cared for this is best done by a sober adult in a drug free enviroment.