Dose - Mixing LSD and MDMA (Candyflip) Only rolled once, never taken LSD

[dawgsfan]

SWIM is going to STS9 on March 20 and has only ever rolled once before but has never done any LSD. SWIM is planning on trying this combination for the concert however and will be buying doses and pure MDMA. How much should SWIM buy and what should the order and time between taking them be like in order to make the concert as fun as possible. SWIM weighs about 200 lbs if that helps any

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Originally Posted by dawgsfan

SWIM is going to STS9 on March 20 and has only ever rolled once before but has never done any LSD. SWIM is planning on trying this combination for the concert however and will be buying doses and pure MDMA. How much should SWIM buy and what should the order and time between taking them be like in order to make the concert as fun as possible. SWIM weighs about 200 lbs if that helps any

Do not have your first experience with LSD at a concert.

For swiyour first LSD experience you should be in a comfortable and controllable environment with people you trust, and you should have nothing to do the following day. Take one dose, either 1 tab or 1 drop of liquid- whatever form swiyyou are getting it in. There's loads of information for first time trippers on this site and elsewhere: swiy's lack of setting knowledge suggests to swim that swiy needs to read a lot more before taking acid.

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good advice

[cra$h]

a little rule of thumb: psychedelics and lots of noise is a bad mix. Go somewhere quite, like a field or the woods. And something like LSD should be experienced on its own first, and mixing with MDMA is left to those experienced with both. enjoy the E for the concert, LSD's best advised for another day.

And psychedelics are much better when it's a spiritual journey. It's a lot more intense that just simply getting fucked up. and if you're dropping acid just for a good time, don't. It's people like that that ruin it. If you want to have a good time, pick a different drug.

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	Good advice about not combining drugs without prior experience, and also in relation to LSD set and setting
	"if you're dropping acid just for a good time, don't. It's people like that that ruin it" Moral judgement on a...
	To the point advice

[durd123]

SWIM saw tribe this year and while swim didn't roll and dose most of his friends did and they ALL had an excellent time. Swim isn't trying to give stupid advice just his two cents

[Lethargy]

Our PEF says that for some people, concerts reflect the closest thing to a genuine religious experience, and thus it can serve as a reasonable atmosphere for psychedelic experiences. Having said that, it helps to have a safe, QUIET environment available if desired especially during the first experience, and a concert would not have that.

He also says he has had one of the better experiences of his life at a rave on exactly those two substances, he took the MDMA upon entering and the LSD came to him some 2 hours in. He also took a 1/2 dose of MDMA with the LSD and proceeded to have his mind caved in by waves of sound. It got a little intense and he did retreat to the relatively quiet hallways at one point. Regardless, he says that he had no complaints about the combination's timing, each person seems to have their own preference as to which to take first and how long before taking the second.

[Greenport]

There's actually a term for it, it's called candyflipping From what the raspberry hears, this combination is actually pretty fun. All the colors of LSD with all the happiness of MDMA. However it also has heard that there can be one hell of a crash from it afterwards and swiY should know that with that combination she may not be as able to make intelligent, informed decisions on her own. She should have a sitter/someone with her, and stay within moderation.

[TravestyHelp]

I would only be willing to try MDMA in this combination.

The crash can be terrible because of what has been drained (adrenaline and seratonin) and your body just becomes useless so to speak. Vitamin c, b12, and plenty of carbs and protein the days after. Weed and relaxation too.

[Greenport]

Well LSD doesn't drain serotonin, or anything else for that matter. It mimics serotonin which is why it doesn't have a significant comedown.

The majority of the crash symptoms would be from the MDMA and from the general act of doing physical stuff

[TravestyHelp]

Thats what I was getting at.

[MaquarieRevisonGuides]

Originally Posted by cra$h

And psychedelics are much better when it's a spiritual journey. It's a lot more intense that just simply getting fucked up. and if you're dropping acid just for a good time, don't. It's people like that that ruin it. If you want to have a good time, pick a different drug.

So sick of hearing this shit, drugs should be used in any fashion for any purpose as the user sees fit. I fail to see how someone taking a drug like LSD in a "non spiritual" setting like a concert is going to ruin anything for anybody. I've had the time of my life every time I've taken acid (especially combined with MDMA by the way) and this has never involved sitting in a dark room and contemplating my ego or spirituality, however I do respect peoples choice to consume the drug for this reason. Lets stop telling people to not take drugs and to pick other drugs because its not the reason you take them. Acid is a tonne of fun mate, go for your life, however like the others said be aware that it can be intense for beginners especially in unfamiliar crowded placed like a festival and when combined with another drug that you have limited experience with.

MaquarieRevisonGuides added 3 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

The above post was a joke, My pet Rabbit does all the acid tripping around here, I don't take acid.

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Self incrimination + swearing

[aowe]

Ecstasy is known to be safer that LSD, the hallucinogen famed for producing psychotic episodes. However, there is concern about MDMA's effect on the neurotransmitter serotonin, the levels of which are closely linked to depression and sleep regulation. Well In one study, heavy MDMA users reportedly experienced a 30 percent decrease in serotonin levels. However, they did not experience the impulsive and hostile behavior other studies have linked to lowered serotonin levels. The only way to find out is if swiy tried it them self.

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back up your claims, there is no evidence to these statements

[yaba]

Swim liked that combo and always had a good time but others when its a bad trip its worse then LSD alone. He done that combo at home and in night clubs.

He won't advice anyone to do this combo before have tried it individually a fair few times before combining it.

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Good basic advice. Know your substances WELL before mixing them.

[rhcpeppers1234]

Dude swim has candyflipped and seen sound tribe many times. An sts9 concert would be an IDEAL place to trip at. Just dont eat like 1000 ugs. Plus the MDMA combined would almost guarantee a good trip. Swim has never had a bad lsd trip when he combined it with mdma. (except maybe at rage against the machine in new orleans. But thats not really dosing music. Still was fun tho )

[gammagore]

SWIM has candyflipped many times, always starting with the LSD , then when SWIM cant stop laughing down goes the XTC/MDMA.
SWIM found this a very strong combination and enjoyed enjoyed it very much.
Someone said for extra fun a little more candy should be taken when the MDMA wares off, apparently.

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by aowe

Ecstasy is known to be safer that LSD, the hallucinogen famed for producing psychotic episodes.

By what standards? The therapeutic index (Ti = TD50/ED50) for LSD is much greater than that of MDMA, and certainly that of "Ecstasy."

I would like to see some evidence that MDMA and "Ecstasy" (likely containing adulterants such as amphetamine, methamphetamine, piperazines, caffeine...etc.) are "known" to be safer than LSD.

[Jatelka]

Originally Posted by aowe

LSD, the hallucinogen famed for producing psychotic episodes.

Here we go again! The whole "LSD causes psychosis" thing

Sidney Cohen published a paper in 1960, that found that psychotic illness was no more common in LSD Users than in a population that had never used LSD

Indeed, the incidence of psychotic reactions lasting more than 48 hours was 0.8/1000 (in a population that had used LSD 25,000 times). Bear in mind that many of the subjects in early LSD research had diagnosed mental illness already!

See here... http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=32&id=1088

for the full paper

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Thansk for bringing that study to the attention.

[Sublimit]

if anything the MDMA will make the trip a lot more manageable. with regards to a candyflip, SWIM never noticed the MDMA's notorious goodbye, and the bliss lasted all night and morning.

150mg MDMA + 300mcg LSD taken together = SWIM having the most memorable trip

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Sublimit

if anything the MDMA will make the trip a lot more manageable. with regards to a candyflip, SWIM never noticed the MDMA's notorious goodbye, and the bliss lasted all night and morning.

150mg MDMA + 300mcg LSD taken together = SWIM having the most memorable trip

Its generally more advantageous to take a lower dose of LSD with a regular dose of MDMA to heighten the MDMA effects. You can see it more as a potentiation / enhancement of the MDMA experience than as a combination producing an experience equally defined by LSD and MDMA effects (and the resulting amalgamation).

[FrogEye]

Originally Posted by MaquarieRevisonGuides

So sick of hearing this shit, drugs should be used in any fashion for any purpose as the user sees fit. I fail to see how someone taking a drug like LSD in a "non spiritual" setting like a concert is going to ruin anything for anybody. I've had the time of my life every time I've taken acid (especially combined with MDMA by the way) and this has never involved sitting in a dark room and contemplating my ego or spirituality, however I do respect peoples choice to consume the drug for this reason. Lets stop telling people to not take drugs and to pick other drugs because its not the reason you take them. Acid is a tonne of fun mate, go for your life, however like the others said be aware that it can be intense for beginners especially in unfamiliar crowded placed like a festival and when combined with another drug that you have limited experience with.

MaquarieRevisonGuides added 3 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

The above post was a joke, My pet Rabbit does all the acid tripping around here, I don't take acid.

Completely agreed, In SWIMS opinion he enjoys both spiritual journeys and just having a good time. Therefore SWIM respects all parties involved with LSD. SWIM agrees that people like Leary destroyed the acid culture with these sublime philosophies and people should never be told what journey they should be having on acid, provided its safe.

[Sublimit]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Its generally more advantageous to take a lower dose of LSD with a regular dose of MDMA to heighten the MDMA effects. You can see it more as a potentiation / enhancement of the MDMA experience than as a combination producing an experience equally defined by LSD and MDMA effects (and the resulting amalgamation).

i see what you're getting at, and a noticeable thing about the combination was the swirling visuals were less prominent. lighting in general wasn't as sharp for that usual amount of acid. The MDMA seems to blur or glare the visuals, a kind of white hue means you're on Everest.

but on the "candyflip" side of the coin SWIM found that the 150mg of MDMA taken orally with the 300mcg begins with the acid starting to rip into him within 10 mins as usual with fresh liquid. depending on stomach content the MDMA(crystal in a capsule) hits in 30-50 minutes and basically you're in bliss land. there is no uncomfortable body feeling you might sometimes get with LSD which means you're left in a state of intense euphoria with decent acid visuals. What surprised SWIM the most though was the apparent crossover from peak to trip. The transition wasn't noticeable at all, it's like it never happened.... strange seeing that it was a big dose of MDMA

MDMA crystal hits a lot faster and lasts a little less than a pill. 150mg would be the equivalent of 2 decent pills give or take.
SWIM is led to believe that there are 60-80mcg per drop from his bottle so measuring acid isn't easy. don't underestimate eating a bottle even if it appears empty!

Both these doses are fairly high and not recommend by no means.
70mg MDMA(1 pill) + 150mcg LSD(2 drops) would be fine for anyone who liked MDMA but was hesitant to ever try LSD. it helps know as much as possible about the potency of your gear

[ness33]

Dont listen to all these people telling you not experience lsd for the first time at a concert. Swim took his first two doses at STS9 last year. Come up was a little nerve racking but the anxiety turned into a full blown body high once the music started. Swim never regreted the day. Swiy mite not want to mix both substances for first time lsd user however

[Gorgonzola]

First swim lsd experience was candyflipping. It wasn't at a concert. It was alone in front of the see with a full sun. However it was with an mp3 player full of good tracks. Unforgetable experience.
Swim also did it at concert and it was wonderful. The only problem was to stop laughing seeing other faces .
Candyflipping is probably one of the best combo for music. In swim exeperience, lsd increases bass perception while mdma increases trebles. So you end up with a very balanced sound .
Also, lsd makes bad trip virtually impossible for swim.

However, here are my advices:

• Don't take too much, especially lsd, because it's the first time and swiy is in a crowded place.
• Start with lsd first (wait around 2 hours for mdma) or swiy would come down from mdma while tripping on lsd.

Let us know the experience.

Gorgonzola added 87 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

I forgot. Be sure swiy has genuine mdma, otherwise he could trigered a bad trip with mcpp or piper...