Voices?

[TheGreatHabiblious]

SWIM has been reading alot and no hasnt read about anyone hearing people talk to them. Specifically in something that sounds to him like tongues. SWIM dosnt know what tongues sounds like or how he can speak it back but he does. if you follow...
SWIM hears other voices, some are almost sung in high and low voices. Other voices sound completely normal. Most of the time they are accompanied by an entity but not always.
SWIM has never heard voices before he did one day in a deep N20 trance, to read more go here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76253 Thats an overview of SWIM's experiences with the stuff.

[seeingred]

Originally Posted by TheGreatHabiblious

SWIM has been reading alot and no hasnt read about anyone hearing people talk to them. Specifically in something that sounds to him like tongues. SWIM dosnt know what tongues sounds like or how he can speak it back but he does. if you follow...
SWIM hears other voices, some are almost sung in high and low voices. Other voices sound completely normal. Most of the time they are accompanied by an entity but not always.
SWIM has never heard voices before he did one day in a deep N20 trance, to read more go here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76253 Thats an overview of SWIM's experiences with the stuff.

What is the question?

[humdroid]

Ivy had mdma experiences, of all things, and felt like there were exchanges with abstract entities.
At the time, Ivy had no psychedelic experience, save for weed.
She was to get similar experiences with entities (and even people she had never met) who she would have non verbal exchanges with.

Masses of information exchanged in a split second.

Ivy wrote much of this down, and unlike notes she wrote on booze, which got chucked away, during one bout of depression when sober, Ivy found the notebook, with all of what she had written, and it was still as profound sober, as when psychedelically enhanced or mdma enhanced.

She went through a bad stage with speed a few times, and got the voices, but these were just psychotic episodes, as she was not sleeping, so her subconscious, which was deprived of dreams, spilled over into her conscious, leaving a very paranoid and confused Ivy, cussing at people who werent there.

Ivy used to 'enjoy' the voices, until they got threatening (Just ivys subconscious, again) but these days.
Ivy cant be doing with the depression and psychotic symptoms, which come sometimes after speed, so she has been feeling like she has gone a bit off speed for quite a while now.

[bananaskin]

Maybe SWIY is having a spiritual experience, as what they describe sounds like praying in tongues (Kit is a practicing Christian), or maybe SWIY heard about the same somewhere?

Is SWIY spiritual at all?

[humdroid]

Y wonders if you can hear what 'tongues' sound like online.

[sandoz1943]

SWIM read about a RC that causes only auditory hallucinations. She can't remember the name though. She wil pull out her copy of PHIKAL and let you know. SWIM has noticed that N2O will cause her to hear strange things. Usualy this is some outside noise her mind has warped into something completly different. SWIM would suggest that you chalk it up to another mystery of the great wide universe and enjoy. As long as the voice aren't telling you to hurt yourself or someone else.

[Sky Walker]

The human mind/ego talks all sorts of gibberish. Do you 'hear' it in your head or actually from the outside environment through your ears?

[ex-junkie]

swim had a somewhat dark experience whilst in the depths of a N20 trance. the devil told her he had her soul, and that she wouldnt get it back. she saw his face and everything. she was in another realm.

soon after that she stopped fucking with the shit. it did some serious damage to her head, no doubt from all the convulsions.

[lostmente]

Swim found N20 enabled him to create a vortex within himself that from apearances sucked the minds around where the emotions became interlinked.

Don't do salvia

[Fat Cop]

I have heard voices in sleep paralysis before and sensed presences. I have never seen anything though. Ive almost had OBE's durring sleep paralysis, but I get too nervous to actuall completely leave my body as it happenes unintentionally.

I like to remember what people or things tell me in dreams. They are always odd.

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by Sky Walker

The human mind/ego talks all sorts of gibberish. Do you 'hear' it in your head or actually from the outside environment through your ears?

When Y had speed psychosis, he heard voices.
They were external, and just out of earshot. - i.e. not really there.
They were also echoey as well.
Y thinks, retrospectively, he was hearing other stuff (just normal daytime sounds) and the psychosis made him perceive these as voices.

[TheGreatHabiblious]

Lots of good conversation going on here. Thanks alot, swim appreciates it. He is also guilty of too long a time between posts, for that he will try to make up for with more punctual answers next time.

Humdroid; The part where you say 'masses of information exchanged in a split second' is interesting. To take it one step further, the great idea is never readily available once not under the influence. At least in swims experiences. Swims only other question concerning the first post is if swiy ever heard them when concentrating hard or drunk? Wether or not there real isnt the question but if you could still tap in to it every now and then when not on what originally sparked the episode....also swim spelled (phonetically) some of the words they (the entities) would use as well as he could, thats probably how bananaskin could tell what the words sound like.

bananaskin; no swim is not spiritual. dont get me wrong, swim went to catholic school for 10 years only to reject the teachings. But has this experience made swim spiritual, yes. religioius? no. prior to there was nothing but he firmly now believes in an energy that connects all of us, if you want to call that god or not is another story.

skywalker: great question, in swims head. but at the same time do you think interdimensional beings would communicate thru the ears? sometimes it was hard to tell where it was coming from (ie ears, head. but mostly head), very real, very unscriped, like something swim had never thought of.

ex-junkie; that sounds alot like swims experiences with the waredog and uncoutin hounds. not to mention many others that never gave themselves names. only that didnt stop swim, apparently swim is curious to a fault.

lostmente; thats called tripping out.

once again humdroid: swim had a buddy that went thru psychosis, he is a diagnosed skitzo, they talk to one another about their experiences. one day swim interjected with a 'but its just weird how appropriate they (voices, people, hallucinations) are to the situation.' and his skitzo buddy went nuts on that line, saying swim was more understanding of his problem than any shrink ever had. true swim admits its probably in his head, but at the same time he hears them when ever he trips on anything, and usually only when, like his mind is constantly open to them when in that state. some times a 'hey hoo con con' comes out of no where when fucked up and it makes him think. still, when tripping they show him things, some awesome, some lack luster, but they tried all the same. its just weird because lots of things people say are similar, even if they dont hear the voices and it seemed very real to swim. which puts that seed of dobut in the mind.

[ex-junkie]

one of swims mates has schizophrenia, and he can "hear" his neighbours, and other people talking about him. talking about all his deepest, darkest shit, mocking him, and it drives him crazy. he says smoking weed helps him with his paranoia, only swim cant see the logic in it, because weed makes mental conditions worse/creates mental conditions like schizophrenia. it also doesnt help that he uses methamphetamines.

:/

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

one of swims mates has schizophrenia, and he can "hear" his neighbours, and other people talking about him. talking about all his deepest, darkest shit, mocking him, and it drives him crazy. he says smoking weed helps him with his paranoia, only swim cant see the logic in it, because weed makes mental conditions like schizophrenia worse.

SIK has a friend the same way. SIK doesn't know what the voices say to Said Friend, only that it's troublesome, as SF will often have the television volume all the way up, the computer playing music as full blast and playing guitar or bass hooked up to the amp all the way to 11 at the same time in an attempt to drown out the voices. Occassionally, SF appears to get tired of trying to ignore them and will overdose on Seroquel to attempt to sleep through it for a while (this is only partially successful).

SF also states marijuana helps the mental state and paranoia issues, which SIK too, finds odd. Perhaps it's like amphetamines for those with ADD?

And if that's the case, where are "They" getting this info that marijuana _causes_ (influences/brings out latent) schizophrenia from? Hmm?

~Kailey

[humdroid]

TheGreatHabiblious

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Humdroid; The part where Y says 'masses of information exchanged in a split second' is different from the phemonena Y had with psychosis.
The psychosis was believed to be real people talking about Y, when really they were just everyday sounds, which, in Y's psychotic state, sounded like low level conversation he couldnt make out.

The former, where lots of information was exchanged in an instant, this was communication with humans who were not there. Y's friend said it sounded like Y went clairvoyant whilst on the stuff.
Y has found he can take stuff from these experiences which have helped him here on in.
When Y has had booze, however, nothing he writes makes sense.
Y used to hear similar voices to the psychotic ones mentioned above, when he was at school. He mis heard loads of stuff. What was confusing, was that Y was being bullied and singled out too, so some of it was real, as corroborated by others, but Y thinks some must have been delusional.
That was due to stress and insufficiant sleep.
Y wouldnt want speed psychosis again, but the other sort of communication, on psychedelics were not voices as such, they were more thoughts tranamitted in an instant. Maybe an image sent to me. Like telepathy.Y thinks we are all capable of that, but our culture has numbed it out, so he could only access it psychedelicaly.
Y did do some non drug work with a medium once which was highly interesting.
Y once got text when tripping and he got the word 'Elke', I know someone called elke now, years later.

Speed psychosis is like a psyeduo shcizo episode.

[TheGreatHabiblious]

^two things swim really agrees with in that post is the part about being clairvoyant and communication by telepathy. swim has a new recent understanding of his thoughts, theres still things up in the air but swim would say theres actual credence to that doubt. makes swim wonder if all the crazies are really crazy, or rather why. sure some of them are, but still; if we only use 10% of our brain normally, when in that state I wonder what parts/how much of our brains we use then?
writing sounds like a good idea, swim will try that. and maybe some day Ill know all there is to know about everything but Im feeling pretty good about my perceptions and for now Ill think of it as a gift.

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by TheGreatHabiblious

makes swim wonder if all the crazies are really crazy, or rather why. sure some of them are, but still; if we only use 10% of our brain normally, when in that state I wonder what parts/how much of our brains we use then?

The "90% of our brains are unused" thing is a fallacy; check this link for more information, or just google it - it's an oft-quoted, yet incorrect, statement.

SIK has periods of hearing voices; it seems like it's a male & female couple talking to each other in another room. SIK says it's barely audible, that a conversation is being had is discernible but the actual words are not. During these periods SIK says there are visuals as well, such as small animals roaming the room in the peripheral vision. The reasons for these are not understood (no sleep deprivation or excessive drug consumption or lack of drug consumption happens at the time), nor is it understood why they go away. It is very irritating for SIK - if voices are to be heard, at least they could be understood!

~Kailey Elise

[Alicia In Wonderland]

Originally Posted by Fat Cop

I have heard voices in sleep paralysis before and sensed presences. I have never seen anything though. Ive almost had OBE's durring sleep paralysis, but I get too nervous to actuall completely leave my body as it happenes unintentionally.

I like to remember what people or things tell me in dreams. They are always odd.

I hear voices during sleep paralysis episodes also. I've never heard anyone talking in tongues, but I've heard whispers, yells, and menacing laughs. It can be quite scary. I have also seen things, but nothing of detail, just shadows in the room. They say it's caused by irregular sleep patterns and stress, but of the time of the episodes, I've never really had either of those things.

[TheGreatHabiblious]

Originally Posted by kailey_elise

The "90% of our brains are unused" thing is a fallacy; check for more information, or just google it - it's an oft-quoted, yet incorrect, statement.

SIK has periods of hearing voices; it seems like it's a male & female couple talking to each other in another room. SIK says it's barely audible, that a conversation is being had is discernible but the actual words are not. During these periods SIK says there are visuals as well, such as small animals roaming the room in the peripheral vision. The reasons for these are not understood (no sleep deprivation or excessive drug consumption or lack of drug consumption happens at the time), nor is it understood why they go away. It is very irritating for SIK - if voices are to be heard, at least they could be understood!

~Kailey Elise

kailey, you are correct. I read (some of) your article, and its funny that they basically just argued against swim and exactly what he had said. Its funny how an instantaneous thought can be so wrong. He has no brain calculators, or other ways of knowing how a brain works so all he has to go on is what he hears, glad you cleared that one up. With that said, you cant say that everyones mind works the same and that everyone can tap in to certain parts that most cannot or wont. With that said, maybe my numbers were skewed some but the idea is still there. The mind is an interesting thing and even the fact what we perceive things is an illusion on the grandest scale amazes me. The fact that swim hears shit thats not really there is no different than someone else hearing someone talk right next to them if you want to get down to brass science.

but kailey, you are even more correct on them only being in the peripherals. never shit a shitter. you cant look at them fully until either unconscious or closed eye visuals. dont get me wrong, swim most definitely saw visuals right in front of him but it was such a long time ago and who is to say what he saw? or wether or not he was conscious for that matter. the closest he came to SIK's experience was monks (with bald spots in brown robes with hoods) they would walk together, and go in to another room. a loud voice would proclaim, very clearly, 'minds thinking' only once, as they would stand and talk. no murmuring, nothing. but they were so far away it would have been logically inaudible.
Its people like you that keep me around here. Its fucking exciting to hear others experiences and share similar situations/thoughts.

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by TheGreatHabiblious

^two things swim really agrees with in that post is the part about being clairvoyant and communication by telepathy. swim has a new recent understanding of his thoughts, theres still things up in the air but swim would say theres actual credence to that doubt. makes swim wonder if all the crazies are really crazy, or rather why. sure some of them are, but still; if we only use 10% of our brain normally, when in that state I wonder what parts/how much of our brains we use then?
writing sounds like a good idea, swim will try that. and maybe some day Ill know all there is to know about everything but Im feeling pretty good about my perceptions and for now Ill think of it as a gift.

Y heard it's good to have one foot in both worlds.
He also heard that the only difference between the psychotic and the psychic, is that the psychic knows they are between worlds and the psychotic dosent. The psychic can 'come and go at will' but the psychotic is not even aware where they are.

[psyche]

^two things swim really agrees with in that post is the part about being clairvoyant and communication by telepathy. swim has a new recent understanding of his thoughts, theres still things up in the air but swim would say theres actual credence to that doubt. makes swim wonder if all the crazies are really crazy, or rather why. sure some of them are, but still; if we only use 10% of our brain normally, when in that state I wonder what parts/how much of our brains we use then?
writing sounds like a good idea, swim will try that. and maybe some day Ill know all there is to know about everything but Im feeling pretty good about my perceptions and for now Ill think of it as a gift.

In a documentary Alan Snyder electronically silenced the left side of the brain to see if he gained savant-like abilities. Right side is generally the more creative one. He had a second of time to see a screen with tens of dots. Without the treatment he got 2/20 right, and with it phenomenaly 8/20. It was an excellent documentary, too, about extraordinary intelligent or creative people like autistics and even head injury people.

Y heard it's good to have one foot in both worlds.
He also heard that the only difference between the psychotic and the psychic, is that the psychic knows they are between worlds and the psychotic dosent. The psychic can 'come and go at will' but the psychotic is not even aware where they are.

That's pretty much it. I think psychosis is more psychological - or even spiritual if that's the term one prefers - than many people in the medical field dare to believe.

[lostmente]

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

one of swims mates has schizophrenia, and he can "hear" his neighbours, and other people talking about him. talking about all his deepest, darkest shit, mocking him, and it drives him crazy. he says smoking weed helps him with his paranoia, only swim cant see the logic in it, because weed makes mental conditions worse/creates mental conditions like schizophrenia. it also doesnt help that he uses methamphetamines.

:/

Swim used to experience this intensely, and still does when he's stressed and in busy situations. Spent way too much time trying to understand the phenomena.

Oddly swim's girlfriend used to be into doing it to other people so swim got to hear the perspective of someone actually doing it. She said that it is very reactionary, and the insults and comments one can make you have to identify with...its sort of like a resonance effect, say if swim had an attraction to tatoos then for someone to notice this they too would have a similar attraction.

the old saying of blowing out someone elses candle to let your own glow brighter

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by psyche

In a documentary Alan Snyder electronically silenced the left side of the brain to see if he gained savant-like abilities. Right side is generally the more creative one. He had a second of time to see a screen with tens of dots. Without the treatment he got 2/20 right, and with it phenomenaly 8/20. It was an excellent documentary, too, about extraordinary intelligent or creative people like autistics and even head injury people.



That's pretty much it. I think psychosis is more psychological - or even spiritual if that's the term one prefers - than many people in the medical field dare to believe.

Y agrees.

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by TheGreatHabiblious

kailey, you are correct. I read (some of) your article, and its funny that they basically just argued against swim and exactly what he had said. Its funny how an instantaneous thought can be so wrong. He has no brain calculators, or other ways of knowing how a brain works so all he has to go on is what he hears, glad you cleared that one up. With that said, you cant say that everyones mind works the same and that everyone can tap in to certain parts that most cannot or wont. With that said, maybe my numbers were skewed some but the idea is still there. The mind is an interesting thing and even the fact what we perceive things is an illusion on the grandest scale amazes me. The fact that swim hears shit thats not really there is no different than someone else hearing someone talk right next to them if you want to get down to brass science.

Oh, I agree that so many humans don't use the entire potential of their brains - it's just not as black and white as "I use 76% of my brain and you only use 4%!" or anything like that. *LOL*

Originally Posted by TheGreatHabiblious

but kailey, you are even more correct on them only being in the peripherals. never shit a shitter. you cant look at them fully until either unconscious or closed eye visuals. dont get me wrong, swim most definitely saw visuals right in front of him but it was such a long time ago and who is to say what he saw? or wether or not he was conscious for that matter. the closest he came to SIK's experience was monks (with bald spots in brown robes with hoods) they would walk together, and go in to another room. a loud voice would proclaim, very clearly, 'minds thinking' only once, as they would stand and talk. no murmuring, nothing. but they were so far away it would have been logically inaudible.
Its people like you that keep me around here. Its fucking exciting to hear others experiences and share similar situations/thoughts.

Aww shucks, thanks! Heh. I wish I knew why SIK saw/heard things, and even more interestingly, why the visuals were/are only in the peripherals. SIK told me that SIK would never mention this phenomena to anyone "in charge", for fear of being labeled 'crazy' or 'schizo' - the last thing SIK wants is to be any more heavily medicated, and these things started to appear in SIK's early 20s - apparently primetime for schizophrenia to begin manifesting itself. *shrug*

It hasn't noticeably happened lately, but apparently SIK has the television on 24/7 as background noise and has pets (a few of them all black), so anything that might have happened can apparently be interpreted as the telly or pets walking around. So who knows?

~Kailey