Effects - swim has never hallucinated

[shanesmith7]

swim has used
salvia 10x
ayahuasca
morning glory seeds
a threshold dose of mescaline

but has never really come close to hallucinating. swim has never used lsd before, or smoked dmt. granted swim is into natural entheogens, swim doesn't want to play with deleriants. could lsd make swim hallucinate?

[Frond]

Define "hallucinate." See stuff that isn't there? That's not what psychedelics do. They will alter perception, including visual perception, but they will pretty much never make someone hallucinate outright. The term "hallucinogens" when applied to psychedelics is a serious misnomer and is responsible for a lot of the negative reputation associated with these drugs.

Also, everyone's neurochemistry is very different, and the same drugs will affect different people in different ways. It is very possible for someone to be less affected in a visual sense from psychedelics than those around him. I don't know the neurochemistry behind it all, so I'm not going to try and explain why.

Deleriants may make SWIY hallucinate, but they can also drive SWIY permanently insane, or kill him. Deleriants deserve every bit of the bad reputation that's normally bestowed on psychedelics. No, I will not say which deleriants are out there and which SWIY should try. Don't even ask. These drugs have historically been used for shamanic purposes, and it's best to leave them to that, and to those that know what they're doing.

If SWIY is looking for a very visual and very profound experience, he can try Ketamine. A fully dissociative dose of K is about as intense as it gets. It's also a very safe drug, provided that the dosage is right, the environment is safe, and the method of administration isn't dangerous (i.e. it can be injected, and there are many ways that can go wrong). He can also try smoked DMT. I doubt that anyone having a fully breakthrough experience on either drug will think "man... that was pretty nice, but I just with I was more fucked up!" But then again I don't do drugs so what do I know...

[Each Hit]

prior to ever taking psychedelics, swim had somehow developed the misconception that they would make swim see things that weren't there, like magical penguins or talking trees. in swim's case, the most realistic visual he ever had was that the walls of his apartment were sweating or dripping with water. he also had a visual where he was looking at the stars through some leafless tree branches and it appeared as if the branches had arcs of electricity sparking between them. rather than being supremely realistic, the visuals are actually very imaginative and unreal. that is part of what makes them so fascinating. on 2c compunds, he has experienced a sort of prismatic effect where lights stretched into a band of colors from red to blue/violet. he also saw patterns on many surfaces, patterns which he could have sworn were actually there but were not upon sober inspection.

the thing about lsd is the way it made swim think and feel. it's hard for swim to describe, but he felt connected to everyone he saw and to the world as a whole. the total effects it has are unique and far surpass the purely visual realm.

[Rainbowzz]

SWIM barely ever hallucinates in the sense of seeing things that arent really there either.. that mostly seems to happen with deleriants rather than psychedelics.

Most of what swim sees is in the form of things breathing, warping or shifthing, which is equally as fascinating.

[Samadhi]

Hallucination technically is defined as 'the apparent perception of sights, sounds, etc. that are not actually present'

This may technically hold true in a sense to psychedelics because the visual effects are indeed all in ones noodle-case... but swim has always believed that the word hallucination is a more appropriate word for the visual disturbances found in deliriants and high-dose dissociative hallucinogens. These substances can illicit visual hallucinations that cannot be differentiated from reality all too readily.

5-ht psychedelics (LSD, Psilocin, mescaline ect.) all have hallucinatory visual effects but are usually distortions of reality. for example a nice large fractal patterning on a carpet or in the cement on the ground. The tales of LSD inducing a bizzare electric candy-land are far over told and sometimes include tales of seeing objects that were not viable to reality, thus a hallucination. These tales are often stretched a good deal.

LSD and other classic serotogenic hallucinogens will increase color amplification, patterning of non patterned objects and a trailing behind moving objects for most people.

now, this ayahuasca experience had no visuals? That is very odd, every ayahuasca experience that swim had was filled to no end with large and encompasing mental, visual and physical frills and fodder.

[metaljuana]

LSD does not make you "hallucinate" as you describe it. LSD is meant for mind expansion, makes you think, and discover things about yourself, others around you, the world, and the universe.

If you want a full blown hallucination, go for DMT. DMT is purely a visual and audial trip. People always debate which of the two is stronger, but they are completely different drugs. LSD is for the mind and wonder, DMT is for hallucinations.

[buzzman]

SWIM recommends a double hit of 20x salvia for hullucinations (take hit, hold in for 20 seconds whilst refilling bowl, if still with it, exhale and quickly light up the next hit, hold for another 20 seconds) though it can be a very dreamlike and unrealistic state.

[Grabnar]

swiys must be getting some bunk cid , gobble up a 10 strip of some gellies swiy will surely see something

[Songcycle67]

SWIM has only ever truly hallucinated on two huge bong rips of salvia 20x, and it was beyond fucked up. Completely scary in every way, and on top of things the comedown feels like an ice bath. He immediately sold the entire tin to a friend for the cheap.

Even with large doses of LSD one is aware that what they're seeing isn't real. Most users of upwards of 1,000ug remain cogniscent for the entire duration of the experience. It's only when doses larger than around 1,500ug are introduced that the white out turns into the blackout and the user either collapses or loses all touch with time and space for a period of hours. This would not technically be hallucinations either since the person will likely be completely catatonic and comatose with no memory of the events afterward.


Unfortunately there's never going to be a batch of LSD that's going to convince you that your leg's on fire. One may get some funny notions, they may have the urge to scream that their leg is on fire for no good reason, but there'll never be much beyond intense fractals coating the outer world and blankets of snow even at the highest doses where one can remain conscious (and really, screw off if you aren't impressed by that)--even then, as is the nature of consciousness, they are fully aware that these images are not happening in the waking world.

Really that's why most LSD users choose it as their favorite substance, because of the clarity that it allows in seeing oneself as they truly are amongst what can be some fairly intense "visualizations" as well as a killer body high. Or at least, that's what SWIM thinks.


Semantics, sure, but there are no true hallucinations on LSD.

[informer_]

Salvia will screw you up lol, Swim had 40x for his first time, he filled the cone of his bong, and took the whole lot held it, swim is not sure how long as he just blacked out, swim was in a huge black room soorounding by pictures of his whole life it, swim wont go into detail as its in the salvia experince thread, but it was fucked up lol

[aowe]

Originally Posted by shanesmith7

swim has used
salvia 10x
ayahuasca
morning glory seeds
a threshold dose of mescaline

but has never really come close to hallucinating. swim has never used lsd before, or smoked dmt. granted swim is into natural entheogens, swim doesn't want to play with deleriants. could lsd make swim hallucinate?

I recommend swiy doing more research under LSD. Lysergic acid diethylamide this substance isn't ment for hallucinating.

Things on the streets now, is LSA swim knows it, he deals with it all the time.

Get DMT <----

"Know your Body, Know your Mind, Know your Substance, Know your Source."

Tell swiy, good luck, and have fun getting LSD.

[deadmoap]

A high dose of MDMA should make swiy hallucinate, if swiy can trigger it. They are true hallucinations too -- seeing things that aren't there at all. It's a very euphoric experience.