Combinations - mdma 2 days in row

[yaniczka]

SWIM would like to roll for 2 days - big party on Saturday and another on Sunday. She takes XTC just once a month or less but would like to enjoy both parties properly. She has enough MDMA, 2-cb and and can obtain some BZP from headshop too. What would be the best option? Just XTC for 2 nights or some combo? SWIM knows that she should wait between drugs intakes but this is really special occasion so will make exception this time.Thanks.

[KyleM]

Originally Posted by yaniczka

SWIM would like to roll for 2 days - big party on Saturday and another on Sunday. She takes XTC just once a month or less but would like to enjoy both parties properly. She has enough MDMA, 2-cb and and can obtain some BZP from headshop too. What would be the best option? Just XTC for 2 nights or some combo? SWIM knows that she should wait between drugs intakes but this is really special occasion so will make exception this time.Thanks.

SWIY may just be trying to accomplish something not scientifically possible. The second night will most likely not have the same effects as the first. Best option would be to consume MDMA only one of the two days.

[yaniczka]

Originally Posted by KyleM

SWIY may just be trying to accomplish something not scientifically possible. The second night will most likely not have the same effects as the first. Best option would be to consume MDMA only one of the two days.

Thanks. So should SWIM take mdma just the fist day and the second only 2-cb or bzp pill or perhaps ketamine (she has never tried K before but in case it helps she is willing to learn new things ?

[BrainMelt]

The MDMA will have significantly weaker effects on the second day of taking it. So its up to swiy if thats worth it or not. Ketamine goes well with MDMA fyi.

[geezaman]

Unless SWIY has already tried bzp and enjoyed the experience SWIM would suggest they leave it out of the equation, In SWIMs opinion it is a much less pleasant and enjoyable drug than MDMA, 2cb, and ketamine.

In SWIMs opinion the second night will benefit greatly from getting a decent night's (or days) sleep following the first night.

In this situ SWIM would use MDMA on both nights, but as already suggested combine it with ketamine of the second night. Although the MDMAs effect alone on the second night would be less than on the first it would still likely make for a good night.
Peace
Geezaman

[DynoMiTe]

My Buddha statue told me he rolls two days in a row every once in a while. The key is to get plenty of rest like Swig said, and your going to have to take more. He usually increases his dose by at least two thirds or double is first dose.

[yaniczka]

SWIM knows it would be better to get proper rest but will be abroad so wants to make most of her time there since in her country all the parties suck Thanks for all the suggestions!

[DynoMiTe]

In that case My Buddha statue said he would dose the MDMA then later into the night take 2c-b stay up all night partying at the tail end of the 2c-b re dose on the MDMA. If you start getting tired you might want to bump up on some BZP but My Buddha statue really hates the stuff.

[Greenport]

It is doable, but there is a loss of magic that may occur. Remember that 'double-dosing' greatly increases the risk of brain damage from MDMA - the reason is because during an MDMA experience, serotonin is being sent at high levels throughout the brain and this causes overstimulation of some neurons. When they become too overstimulated, the synapse can essentially destroy itself and that neural pathway becomes deactivated. If ample time is given between rolls (doing it monthly or less minimizes damage so that's a good thing to keep doing) these synapses can reconnect and repair themselves - thus rolling on rare occasion is not really neurodegenerative.

Rolling consecutively, however, can cause damage to some of these synapses and thus neural pathways to become worse and more numerous, and even permanent, because one is not giving their body time to recover. It's like how the liver can recover from a drink on occasion but alcoholics risk liver damage because they aren't giving their bodies time to recover.

What is more important than swiY's rolling two nights in a row, is that swiY doesn't make this a habit. He should do it this time if he so chooses, but he shouldn't start doing it like that each time he rolls, nor should he start taking them more than currently is.

And of course take care of swiY out there. Don't forget about the basics - dehydration, overstimulation etc. and always make an informed decision.

[KyleM]

Originally Posted by Greenport

It is doable, but there is a loss of magic that may occur. Remember that 'double-dosing' greatly increases the risk of brain damage from MDMA - the reason is because during an MDMA experience, serotonin is being sent at high levels throughout the brain and this causes overstimulation of some neurons. When they become too overstimulated, the synapse can essentially destroy itself and that neural pathway becomes deactivated. If ample time is given between rolls (doing it monthly or less minimizes damage so that's a good thing to keep doing) these synapses can reconnect and repair themselves - thus rolling on rare occasion is not really neurodegenerative.

Rolling consecutively, however, can cause damage to some of these synapses and thus neural pathways to become worse and more numerous, and even permanent, because one is not giving their body time to recover. It's like how the liver can recover from a drink on occasion but alcoholics risk liver damage because they aren't giving their bodies time to recover.

What is more important than swiY's rolling two nights in a row, is that swiY doesn't make this a habit. He should do it this time if he so chooses, but he shouldn't start doing it like that each time he rolls, nor should he start taking them more than currently is.

And of course take care of swiY out there. Don't forget about the basics - dehydration, overstimulation etc. and always make an informed decision.

What do you mean the synapse can be destroyed? The synapse the is space between neurons. You can't destroy space. Receptors may be temporarily downregulated, serotonin levels may be depleted, but whether actual damage at human recreational doses of MDMA occurs has yet to be proven scientifically. Where did you obtain this information that synapses can be destroyed by taking MDMA on consecutive days? I'm pretty sure that information doesn't exist. The most likely reasons for ineffectiveness on day 2 is depleted serotonin or downregulated receptors. There are other factors, but those are the most likely to occur in most cases. If you have some source that can substantiate what you just said, I will be glad to check it out, until then I will say that is just plain wrong information.

[BigP]

Originally Posted by yaniczka

SWIM would like to roll for 2 days - big party on Saturday and another on Sunday. She takes XTC just once a month or less but would like to enjoy both parties properly. She has enough MDMA, 2-cb and and can obtain some BZP from headshop too. What would be the best option? Just XTC for 2 nights or some combo? SWIM knows that she should wait between drugs intakes but this is really special occasion so will make exception this time.Thanks.

My friend has done this, and knows that eventually the magic wears off, but he tricked his mind into believing the mdma was still working by doing this.
Ps, he is also a total crazy person for this, but it all worked out for him.

He started day 1 with a strong dose of mdma, 2X .15's and got off to a strong start, then when he thought it was about time to come down, he smoked a HUGE joint, this happiness kept him rolling for some reason. The next night, he took a few mdma and noticed the magic wasnt quite there, nor the energy (keep in mind swim never slept) so he took a vial of GHB to awaken himself, and then once he started really dancing again, the mdma euphoria crept back into his head.


This is a big mix :P not recommended, just saying what swim did.

[Greenport]

Hm, sorry - swiM's rhino did some more research on the topic, he was going too much off of memory when he made that post. It seems that the neuron itself would become damaged. Whether mdma causes significant neurotoxicity has been debated for quite a while, it is his understanding that neurotoxicity can occur with abuse (as in habitual use or overuse.) However with infrequent use the damage is likely to be so small that it would be generally reversible. Thanks for pointing that out though, the rhino doesn't mean to spread wrong info.

http://staff.jccc.net/aalarabi/axonreg.html

[Justxaxgirl]

Swim has plenty of friends who roll days at a time - without sleep . Swim has told me that the trick is to keep up with however much you need to still feel a proper high, and be sure to have an endless source.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by Justxaxgirl

Swim has plenty of friends who roll days at a time - without sleep . Swim has told me that the trick is to keep up with however much you need to still feel a proper high, and be sure to have an endless source.

and this is also a great way to exacerbate negative effects and increase tolerance

ignore anyone who recommends anything different than spacing rolls out once a month there is a popular trend to abuse ecstasy and people will give advice using personal experience as their only source for evidence to back their claims

the best course of action would be to roll one night then take the 2c-b the next night

[yaniczka]

once again, SWIM thanks for all your advices!