Adds for WD

[zacrich007]

Hi everybody. SWIM loves their oxycontin but hates the wds. SWIM had a really hard time with them and would do anything to make it go away. One day SWIM found that adderall completly made them go away, no pain, none of the horrible stomach prolbems, and SWIM had energy and was able to go to work. After about 3 days of the adds SWIM ran out and the opiate wd never happened, usually this last about 7 days. SWIM has found this works everytime. Is this just a placebo effect or is there a legit medical reason behind this?

[Dickon]

My cat can vouch for a similar phenomenon. He would be able to give up opiates periodically (small doses of oral morphine) for a period of a week or so by injecting amphetamine, which I'm sure you know is the active ingredient in adderall. That said he always found he went back to opiates after the amphetamines wore out. This only worked when cat was using small doses of opiates, and cat never found he was able to stop the amphetamines without returning to opiates, but this was because of the speed comedown rather than the w.d.s restarting. I think in minor withdrawals speed does help, but I'd hate to try the experiment with a large habit. I've never seen someone use it to give up opiates permanently, and suspect to do so without become a full time speed user is unlikely unless highly motivated.

I wouldn't recommend this in general, but as everyone is different, it might provide one or two people a means to quit opiates, which I fully endorse. Life is much better off without them, or so my cat tells me!

Dickon

[OhCasey]

I cant vouch for high doses of amphetamines especially via IV but as far as adderall it really does eliminate opiate withdrawals. For swim the key is using adderall XR and at small doses, as little as 5 mg can all but eliminate withdrawals except for the stomach issues but lopermide takes care of that. If you search theres other threads where swimmers have noticed the same thing.

[rhudson]

Originally Posted by OhCasey

I cant vouch for high doses of amphetamines especially via IV but as far as adderall it really does eliminate opiate withdrawals. For swim the key is using adderall XR and at small doses, as little as 5 mg can all but eliminate withdrawals except for the stomach issues but lopermide takes care of that. If you search theres other threads where swimmers have noticed the same thing.

SWIM thinks this is an ok method for small habits because amphetamine raises the serum levels of all kinds of monoamines which helps the user because his brain has become desensitized to various neurotransmitters, especially dopamine which is the primary pathway through which amphetamines work. SWIM has used modafinil to help detox, and it works too but is less intense and addictive, which is probably a good thing. It is also easy as hell for anyone to get.

It is important to realize that opiates depress the action in your amygdala (the brains fear center responsible for the fight or flight response) and amphetamines actually increase the stmiulation here. This means that amphetamines are likely to make this aspect of withdrawal (anxiety, fear, high blood pressure) worse. In fact the high blood pressure could be a serious health risk since opiate withdrawal in-and-of-itself causes hypertension owing to the action in the amygdala. So SWIM would advise heavy users NEVER to use an ampehtamine or, worse still, a short acting stimulant like cocaine, in order to ease withdrawals. This could be a health risk and moreover it probably will make them feel like shit. Modafinil would be safer (SWIM won't go so far to say it's safe in this instance) because it acts more centrally (in the brain) than peripherally (in the circulatory system) and won't stimulate the fight or flight response as much.

One thing is for sure, SWIY will feel like shit when the uppers run out unless he/she uses them for the duration of the withdrawal, so cocaine is the worst idea since it acts so quickly. To be honest, SWIM thinks part of the reason adderall helps is a kind of placebo effect whereby drug addicts just feel better when they are fucked up on anything.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by rhudson

SWIM thinks this is an ok method for small habits because amphetamine raises the serum levels of all kinds of monoamines which helps the user because his brain has become desensitized to various neurotransmitters, especially dopamine which is the primary pathway through which amphetamines work. SWIM has used modafinil to help detox, and it works too but is less intense and addictive, which is probably a good thing. It is also easy as hell for anyone to get.

It is important to realize that opiates depress the action in your amygdala (the brains fear center responsible for the fight or flight response) and amphetamines actually increase the stmiulation here. This means that amphetamines are likely to make this aspect of withdrawal (anxiety, fear, high blood pressure) worse. In fact the high blood pressure could be a serious health risk since opiate withdrawal in-and-of-itself causes hypertension owing to the action in the amygdala. So SWIM would advise heavy users NEVER to use an ampehtamine or, worse still, a short acting stimulant like cocaine, in order to ease withdrawals. This could be a health risk and moreover it probably will make them feel like shit. Modafinil would be safer (SWIM won't go so far to say it's safe in this instance) because it acts more centrally (in the brain) than peripherally (in the circulatory system) and won't stimulate the fight or flight response as much.

One thing is for sure, SWIY will feel like shit when the uppers run out unless he/she uses them for the duration of the withdrawal, so cocaine is the worst idea since it acts so quickly. To be honest, SWIM thinks part of the reason adderall helps is a kind of placebo effect whereby drug addicts just feel better when they are fucked up on anything.

Part of the reason that anything works can be based on placebo but in this swimmers experience placebo isnt a major factor. A way to use adderall during withdrawal that swim finds beneficial is to take it in the early morning when he hasnt been able to get any sleep because of the opiate withdrawal. Swim uses it to keep himself awake for 48 hours and after that he crashes rather then not being able to sleep for 24 hours then getting 2-4 hours of sleep etc.