Severe Panic attacks from Marijuana?

[waytoofertile]

SWIM has severe anxiety issues, including Agoraphobia. When they have tried MJ it makes them have an attack and they get super paranoid and feel like thier heart is beating too fast and they can't breathe. They have even hyperventilated until they passed out. Is this a normal reaction or is it the breed? Is that possible. You always hear how it calms people down and helps people sleep or even come off hard core opiates, but swim has the complete oposite reaction. Will it change over time or should they just say to their sig other " I hate this crap, it makes me feel like I'm having a heart attack!!!!" and just be done with it.

You have to understand the sig other is a pretty heavy smoker and swim would die before being apart from him so is willing to make major sacrifices to make him happy. He just doesn't look happy when swim is freaking out.

Any suggestions or ideas - and yes even the secondhand smoke makes swim flip, but she can't go outside. She hasn't left her home in months. That's a really big deal. NO open doors or windows!

[abraham]

First of all swim would say get out somewhere for a little while. Certainly dont smoke pot or do any other drug swiy doesn't want/like to do. Swim smoked alot for the past 20 years and so does his sig other. She has quit right now because she is prego but if she wanted to quit swim would say go for it. Really swim feels he should have the courtesy to go outside and smoke. Especially with all the kids and stuff. Bottom line.. if smoking makes it feel like swiy is about to have a heart attack/racing heart/whatever, then DONT DO IT. Not worth it. Swi your man wants you healthy and happy also. In fact, swim will smoke one for you right now

abraham added 12 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

sorry, just read up a little on agoraphobia.
Swim is sure you know this but "Agoraphobia can be successfully treated in many cases through a very gradual process of graduated exposure therapy combined with cognitive therapy and sometimes anti-anxiety or antidepressant medications. Treatment options for agoraphobia and panic disorder are similar.?
Swim would suggest trying that route.

[waytoofertile]

Abraham, thanks fr the references, but have tried all w/out success. Terror is too overwhelming, every time I leave the house bad things happen. Today is a PERFECT example. Went to Dr. Ok, dragged to Doc by spouse then swim almost died from script. Is no use. I have no use.

[Potter]

If something like pot is making your life miserable, don't do it. If those around you aren't respectful, they aren't your friends and should be treated as trash, kick their asses.

That is in NO WAY a normal reaction. Never. It doesn't do that to people. Yes, it can mess with your head, it can make your heart beat faster, but it doesn't make people freak out and pass out. This may be some other underlying medical condition, or, more likely then not, this is a psychosomatic reaction.

What sort of bad things happen outside? Do pigeons give you the evil eye? Do people get killed? Or do you just freak out? Why not make a list of all of these "bad things"?

[waytoofertile]

Originally Posted by Potter

What sort of bad things happen outside? Do pigeons give you the evil eye? Do people get killed? Or do you just freak out? Why not make a list of all of these "bad things"?

OK, I realize bad things happen to everyone, but it seems like they only hapen when swim leaves home. I'll give you some examples, but they don't even scratch the surface because swims been this way for many years, leaving only for Dr. appts and then only when spouse comes with. Yes, swim knows. She is abnormally dependent on spouse. Even to the point he has lost jobs because swim couldn't be alone or had Dr appt and couldn't go by self. Want so much to be normal but know will end up crazy lady with 32 dogs in apartment and no one will know I'm dead for 2 months until nieghbors complain about smell. OK, examples of bad things:

1. Went to dr ofice ALONE, got lost and went througha light I couldn't see because sun was blinding me. Got first ticket, which officer threw at me because I was having panic attack since had never been pulled over before. Did not know fine and court date on ticket so was expecting a bill from the city in the mail for me to mail a check to. Yeah.....so a little over a month later had to go to mother in laws and 4 yo Lilly threw fit over big fluffy dress and pulled it off. Stopped at small store to get other clothes for her and then spouse ran in to give me debit card stupidly leaving 2yo and now naked 4yo in car. Police see this and want to see his license which they say is suspended for not showing ins card, ridiculus since had Geico for last 2 years w/ no lapses. So want to see mine to make sure I can drive them. Give it to them, guess what? There was a warrant for arrest for not going to unknown court date. Basically got arrested because I went to my DR alone. Spouse would not have gotten lost. If I had a panic attack over a ticket you should have seen me handcuffed.Yeah

2. Ran out of baby wipes and toilet paper and spouse too sick to go1/4 mile to store so I had to. While gone got severe abdominal pains had to go to hospital. Said Oh very bad cyst on ovary we'll try to just get cyst by laporoscopy. Woke up, minutes later everyone is yelling "She's bleeding out!!, They had done a full hysterectomy and accidentally cut an artery. Blood pressure dropped to almost nothing and abdomen filled w/blood then heart stopped and didn't restart for 7 minutes and 5 blood transfusions.

3. Couldn't sleep and wanted to surprise husband with special breakfast so forced myself to go to town at 2 am to grocery store. Went down side road and a pickup came roaring up and hit my bumper. I pulled over on this deseerted road thinking it was an accident and it turns out the guy was some crazy that pulled me out of the van and tried to rape me. Did NOT succeed.

4. Here's an early example: I met my abusive alcohlic ex husband at an out door company picnic.

5. Bit by dog

6. Caught in a flood

7. Hit by car

8. Almost drowned, twice.

9. Met the two men I would marry and would give me 4 of my 5 pregnancies, might sound like good thing but pregnancies almost killed me.

10. Raped at barely 13, resulting in 1st pregnancy

There is just too many to count. It just goes on and on. But do you see a pattern? The guy that attacked me didn't stop leaving notes and harrassing me until I had stayed in for over 6 straight months. Sorry to get so personal to try to have you understand. There is a method to my madness.
Inside good. Outside, bad.

I know this is dumb to a normal person. But this is my life, and I hate it. I have tried to suck it up and just go out, it never gets easier just scarier. Everything is so bright and moves so fast and theres just so many people and stuff!! It's too much, I can't do it w/out a ton of anxiety meds.
So does it make sense or am I just crazy?

[Matt The Funk]

Originally Posted by waytoofertile

OK, I realize bad things happen to everyone, but it seems like they only hapen when swim leaves home. I'll give you some examples, but they don't even scratch the surface because swims been this way for many years, leaving only for Dr. appts and then only when spouse comes with. Yes, swim knows. She is abnormally dependent on spouse. Even to the point he has lost jobs because swim couldn't be alone or had Dr appt and couldn't go by self. Want so much to be normal but know will end up crazy lady with 32 dogs in apartment and no one will know I'm dead for 2 months until nieghbors complain about smell. OK, examples of bad things:

1. Went to dr ofice ALONE, got lost and went througha light I couldn't see because sun was blinding me. Got first ticket, which officer threw at me because I was having panic attack since had never been pulled over before. Did not know fine and court date on ticket so was expecting a bill from the city in the mail for me to mail a check to. Yeah.....so a little over a month later had to go to mother in laws and 4 yo Lilly threw fit over big fluffy dress and pulled it off. Stopped at small store to get other clothes for her and then spouse ran in to give me debit card stupidly leaving 2yo and now naked 4yo in car. Police see this and want to see his license which they say is suspended for not showing ins card, ridiculus since had Geico for last 2 years w/ no lapses. So want to see mine to make sure I can drive them. Give it to them, guess what? There was a warrant for arrest for not going to unknown court date. Basically got arrested because I went to my DR alone. Spouse would not have gotten lost. If I had a panic attack over a ticket you should have seen me handcuffed.Yeah

2. Ran out of baby wipes and toilet paper and spouse too sick to go1/4 mile to store so I had to. While gone got severe abdominal pains had to go to hospital. Said Oh very bad cyst on ovary we'll try to just get cyst by laporoscopy. Woke up, minutes later everyone is yelling "She's bleeding out!!, They had done a full hysterectomy and accidentally cut an artery. Blood pressure dropped to almost nothing and abdomen filled w/blood then heart stopped and didn't restart for 7 minutes and 5 blood transfusions.

3. Couldn't sleep and wanted to surprise husband with special breakfast so forced myself to go to town at 2 am to grocery store. Went down side road and a pickup came roaring up and hit my bumper. I pulled over on this deseerted road thinking it was an accident and it turns out the guy was some crazy that pulled me out of the van and tried to rape me. Did NOT succeed.

4. Here's an early example: I met my abusive alcohlic ex husband at an out door company picnic.

5. Bit by dog

6. Caught in a flood

7. Hit by car

8. Almost drowned, twice.

9. Met the two men I would marry and would give me 4 of my 5 pregnancies, might sound like good thing but pregnancies almost killed me.

10. Raped at barely 13, resulting in 1st pregnancy

There is just too many to count. It just goes on and on. But do you see a pattern? The guy that attacked me didn't stop leaving notes and harrassing me until I had stayed in for over 6 straight months. Sorry to get so personal to try to have you understand. There is a method to my madness.
Inside good. Outside, bad.

I know this is dumb to a normal person. But this is my life, and I hate it. I have tried to suck it up and just go out, it never gets easier just scarier. Everything is so bright and moves so fast and theres just so many people and stuff!! It's too much, I can't do it w/out a ton of anxiety meds.
So does it make sense or am I just crazy?

You know a lot of people are like SWIY. SWIM could go on with a few similar stories but in the end it all comes down to will power, therapy, and maybe medication. Best of luck, but no offense, SWIYs story doesn't justify the actions, it's pure irrational thought, which I suppose all "mental illness" is.

[waytoofertile]

Originally Posted by Matt The Funk

You know a lot of people are like SWIY. SWIM could go on with a few similar stories but in the end it all comes down to will power, therapy, and maybe medication. Best of luck, but no offense, SWIYs story doesn't justify the actions, it's pure irrational thought, which I suppose all "mental illness" is.

That is the major problem. People treat mental illness as if it isn't a real illness because they simply can't see it or understand it. They think a little willpower and the person won't have the illness anymore. I fought tooth and nail about taking meds and seeing Psychiatrists and therapists, but then one said something that made good sense. He said "You don't look down on diabetics for needing insulin to be as close to normal and you can't really see blood sugar, like you can't see the chemical imbalance causing your anxiety and fear." I mean, WHY would anyone want to be like this?
You know that horrible feeling like a surge of adrenaline to your heart at the top of a roller coaster or when you get called to the principal's office as a kid? That's the feeling I have over and over almost constantly. Live like that awhile and trust me you find the triggers, like the front doorknob, and you stay away.

[Matt The Funk]

Originally Posted by waytoofertile

That is the major problem. People treat mental illness as if it isn't a real illness because they simply can't see it or understand it. They think a little willpower and the person won't have the illness anymore. I fought tooth and nail about taking meds and seeing Psychiatrists and therapists, but then one said something that made good sense. He said "You don't look down on diabetics for needing insulin to be as close to normal and you can't really see blood sugar, like you can't see the chemical imbalance causing your anxiety and fear." I mean, WHY would anyone want to be like this?
You know that horrible feeling like a surge of adrenaline to your heart at the top of a roller coaster or when you get called to the principal's office as a kid? That's the feeling I have over and over almost constantly. Live like that awhile and trust me you find the triggers, like the front doorknob, and you stay away.

You are talking to the wrong person telling them willpower won't do anything. SWIM suffers from a slew of mental disorders and takes medication multiple times a day, cannabis being one of them. He was giving his input and how he personally recovered from agoraphobia and some pretty bad psychotic paranoia. Best of luck.

Actually he is going to add more, SWIM use to sleep with weapons ready to kill thinking people were watching him, wouldn't leave his house, had an intense irrational fear of people, etc etc, he still suffers from anxiety disorders, but simply deals with them in a different manner. He isn't claiming SWIY isn't trying, he knows exactly how it feels...He is simply suggesting staying off the substances and trying to work out the problem through talk therapy, perhaps medication, etc...

[Matt The Funk]

SWIM actually suffered some pretty bad agoraphobia after he came off benzo's and cannabis was the only thing helping him stay sane. It's different for everyone. Cannabis can cause panic in some people, especially for someone with agoraphobia, SWIM can imagine it being very uncomfortable and a situation that would make said person feel like they are losing control of their surroundings. Also Cannabis has made SWIM himself have panic-attacks and sometimes paranoia + mania + cannabis = hallucinations. SWIM thinks SWIY (can't even really tell who swiy is talking about) should first try to control the agoraphobia and ignore anyone trying to tell them to come blaze with them, SWIY should focus on recovering first. SWIM would also recommend smoking LESS or trying indicas, maybe even hash. Take just 1 hit even, who is SWIY showing off for? SWIm doesn't know why second hand smoke would make them flip out...it's probably all in SWIYs head and they are just psyching up the cannabis experience, or perhaps they are psyching up the 2nd hand smoke. Either way SWIM guesses it would all be considered "psyching something up" that causes panic.

[RX420]

try a super heavy duty indica. or just stop smoking man...

RX420 added 3 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

and although its a very mild delic..its still one. and setting is a huge thing. be at a comfortable place and comfortable place in life...

if swiyou is in a stressed time in their life..smoking prolly should just be avoided altogether.

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wrong advice, if someone of freaking out on a drug they need to stop.

[Points4Life]

SWIM has a brother (who doesn't mind open spaces) who's smoked pot for years - lots of it.

Recently he started getting panic attacks whenever he so much as takes a hit. He's never had them before, but now *BANG* everytime.

. . .guess these drugs effect us differently after a while.

OR, maybe the government is using super secret black helicopters to spray the fields with some new chemical in an effort to get us off of our asses! Probably not.

[abraham]

probably not being the key sentence.

[purplehaze]

Maybe if swiy changes her enviroment like moving from the city into the country might help. Swiy says bright lights and everything moves so fast, have they tried to overcome fear in a secluded open area?

Lifes a bitch, shit has happened shit will happen, it just goes back to getting back on your bicycle when you fall over. Or the horse. Sounds like swiy has a lot of stress each day which doesn't help swiys mental health get better or stronger. Being confident in life and ones self is key.

If all is true, phaze would recommend seeking mental health, a good therapist and discussing all of swiys life problems. Sometimes when people get beat down to many times to hard it causes trauma. In short. But i believe if swiy tries that she could eventually become more secure and confident and possibly happier and more content with life than shes ever been.

Edit - to reply to the thread topic.

Phaze beleives the marijuana is not causing the effect that it possibly could be triggering a event that caused trauma or being over dramatic to the situation due to a underlying mental problem. Most likley its all in swiys head and its uncontrollable. Its not swiys fault she doesnt enjoy marijauna and she may later in her life but phaze wouldnt recommend doing it if its causing reactions like listed above. The marijauna second hand smoke should not be a problem. It should not alter swiys state of mind, or get them high. This is why phaze believes its connected to something else thats causing swiy to freak out. Swiy should feel no obligation to swiys spouse for their choice in not smoking marijuana. Swiys spouse should not try to influence swiy to do it against her will.

Side note- Just out of curiosity what medications does swiy take? Also what mental problems are swiy aware of having.

[waytoofertile]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Maybe if swiy changes her enviroment like moving from the city into the country might help. Swiy says bright lights and everything moves so fast, have they tried to overcome fear in a secluded open area?

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If all is true, phaze would recommend seeking mental health, a good therapist and discussing all of swiys life problems. Sometimes when people get beat down to many times to hard it causes trauma. In short. But i believe if swiy tries that she could eventually become more secure and confident and possibly happier and more content with life than shes ever been.

Edit - to reply to the thread topic.

Side note- Just out of curiosity what medications does swiy take? Also what mental problems are swiy aware of having.

Swim sees psychiatrist and therapist. Has been diagnosed as being bi-polar, having severe panic disorder w/ Agoraphobia, a couple of things I don't remember, and current psych professionals feel there is a strong possibility of disasociative identity disorder(formerly known as multiple personality disorder. I don't buy into that one although spouse certainly does. Will admit to large amounts of lost time, forgetting people, conversations,actions though others say swim seemed normal and aware of surroundings and no drugs were involved.Has been noted to have many very different styles of handwriting and also different accents at times. But I have lived all over the country and attended too many schools to count so that could account for those oddities.Not having other personalities.

I have been on every anti depressant known to man, but currently prescrbed Wellbutrin (anti-depressant), Depakote (mood stabilizer), Klonopin(anti-anxiety) and lithium(anti-psychotic)
Swim has tried various drugs trying to find additional help to not feal so freaked, hence experimentation w/ marijuana, mdma,H, etc. Has avoided hallucinogins and things of that nature feeling that if reality is this difficult to handle, swim probably would not do well w/ drugs that can cause paranoia and swim to see scary things that aren't even there.
Swim also is under care for severe neck injury and takes meds as prescibed by Dr for chronic pain. Am allergic to many opiates so have been basically kept in the Oxycodone/contin family and diluadid for breakthrough. Weaned self down to just Vicodin but does not help at all with pain just keeps from being ill from opiate withdrawl. Found depression gets worse when pain is not alleviated. But swim doesn't want to be dependant. It's a source of frustration in itself, take pain meds and alleviate suffering and some depression and I'm labeled an addict, but to not take meds chronic pain becomes unbearable at times and depression worsens.

To whomever said I tend to exaggerate: really I don't. At least not in any way I am awate of. Sometimes am manic and then am more excitable and annoying and do things I should not, but here I posted a simple question on a site where one expects clear, intelligent, concise, and respectful answers, not to have themselves mocked or made fun of, let alone be called a liar. But thank you for reminding me why I avoid people when at all possible.

One last thing, a few mentioned second hand smoke should not cause swim to have anxiety attacks perhaps it is a trigger and thinking about it, I realized that my ex used to smoke all the time and went to jail over it and am really scared of being caught with that sort of thing maybe the smell reminds me of when it happened, I don't remember what happened just involved the police and ex going away for good. (From me after jail, not prison for life to be specific) Hope my explanation was sufficient and not inflammatory or unintentionally exaggerated as that is not my intention.

Spouse is next to swim reading along with posts and said to say that swim has not exaggerated especially in describing reaction to marijuana. Also states swim is nuttier than a fruitcake,lol. Was said with much love though so okay.

waytoofertile added 40 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Macee

swim has been looking at swiys posts lately.

and no offense but swim thinks you should quit drugs alltogether it seems that every single drug is causing you harm and (in swims opinion) that not many of them are plausible. not saying its not true but swim feels like alot of your posts are over exaggerated.

Hope swim didnt come on too strong. thats just swims opinion.

Hi there this is waytoofertile's husband. I just had to jump in here and add my 2 cents. I understand that most people do not have reactions like this but they are more common than you would think. When I first met my wife I thought the same thing that you do, she is exagerating or just making it up because no one would have a reaction like that, but since then I have met many people who have same reaction. As for fentyal that is one drug that should not be toyed with lightly as it is stronger than most any other pain killer on the market and if you had read any magazine or news article you would know that those patches are very unstable and can release all of the med at once instead of over a period of 3 days. Also an allergery to med would cause heart and breathing to cease which is exactly what happened right in front of swim. Now that I have given you your lesson for the day maybe next time you start calling people liars you will do some research so that you don't look like an uneducated 20 year old that believes his experiences are the same as everyone else on the planet. In closing, swim is telling complete truth as it was swim that had to bring her back with cpr. Thanks so much for proving to me that some 20 year old males just like to act like they have a clue about how drugs and definetly drug life really is but in reality have bigger egos than experience. People die every day from trying new things or doing too much or just an allergic reaction. Keep that in mind young pup hate to see a similar thing happen to you or anyone for that matter. I have been in this game for a long time and if I learned 1 thing it is that anything can happen.

Thanks for letting me pipe up, waytoofertile's spouse

[Macee]

swim has been looking at swiys posts lately.

and no offense but swim thinks you should quit drugs alltogether it seems that every single drug is causing you harm and (in swims opinion) that not many of them are plausible. not saying its not true but swim feels like alot of your posts are over exaggerated.

Hope swim didnt come on too strong. thats just swims opinion.

[purplehaze]

I think that one of the main problems is all the labels put on swim. Even though she does have mental problems it seems she is very aware of this fact and considers herself not a normal person and basically just a loon. Thats not very healthy IMO. Phaze recommends staying away from drugs, taking prescribed medications and thinking on philophsies in life. One of the greatest is " i think therefore i am"

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Very insightful advise

[RX420]

therapists and no rec drugs for while for sure man. if they causing problems in swiy personal life, why keep using??? once you get things cleared up maybe slowly try them/it again and see if swiy can handle it? maybe swiyour body just has had enough, but like said earilier, perhaps swiyou have some issues that need to be taken care of first.

[Desertfox]

Take some time to simplify your bodies chemistry, stop taking 'tons of anxiety meds' and taking recreational drugs, don't come back to them unless your in a place in your life where you feel comfortable taking them. The stressful times is probly the times you want to get high the most but it is not the best if you have underlying mental conditions that cause you to have severe reactions in bad settings. Stop drinking alcohol, smoking cigs, and change your diet and try some excersise, with an improvement in health you'll be feeling better in no time, maybe even feeling up for a few bowls!

[thedream]

Maybe it is due to the fact that your on a handful or two of prescription medications and throwing marijuana in the mix obviously did not help. The real question should be what if you were not taking all these meds and you smoked pot, would you get an adverse reaction? As far as i know lithium should not be combined with any psychoactive as they will almost always result in an unpleasant experience to say the least.

If you really want to get your life back in order you have to make a drastic change. You've been through some very traumatic events that would test the will of any person. Just for surviving them and having to live with it is an accomplishment on its own. You should be proud of this as not many people are as strong as you. Your past experiences seem to be the underlying problems here. Ask yourself these key questions: How long have you been in therapy for? Have you made any progress? It seems you are quite content with staying inside your house for the rest of your life. Is this what you really want? Are your prescriptions helping you or are they simply masking your problems, making life bearable for another day? What thoughts take up the most time in your day? Are they postive or negative thoughts? What is your diet like? Do you eat a healthy balanced diet? Our bodies work best when they are in homeostasis, which means everything is in working balance. How do you think your medications affect your bodies homeostasis? Some may indeed help but is it possible others are counter productive?

Your spouse seems to think we are uneducated 20 year old males with ego's but if he had half a brain he would know people with mental illness or whatever condition your "labeled" as should not consume marijuana as it can increase the chances of panic attacks, paranoia, tachycardia, hullicinations and will amplify existing conditions. So tell him to get off his high horse.

You have lots of issues to deal with but ultimately its on you, not your doctor, pyschologist, prescriptions. You have the power to make things right or to continue on the path your on. I want you to feel empowered after reading this, you've had this power with you all along but it has been lost within you for sometime now. When you feel a panic attack come on take a deep breath and realize your stronger than this. Its all just a state of mind when it comes down to it. It's your move, what do you do?

[waytoofertile]

Too be honest I felt better BEFORE all these DR.'s started pumping me full of drugs. I had an occasional panic attack, sometimes got a bit depressed then a little manic (but not severe or anything) Wasn't til they put me on all these meds that I lost all energy, hope, and started trying illicit substances to alleviate.
to who asked me what I think about neg, pos thoughts. Honestly, the least painful way to die. And how it's not possible because I have a family I love and am responsible for so cannot and will not go out like that. Swim thinks should stop all meds dr prescribes, slowly weaning pff the benzo's cause last time was manic quit Klonpin for 2 weeks and had grand mal seizure (look it up, it is a side effect of abrubt w/d)

So: Swim is going to experiment, by own choice not on advice of others (for all moderators!)
Tommorrow will be day 1, by the way, I mean everything including pain meds. Probably will not be sleeping much for awhile so sorry if I am on here too much.
Should I start new thread under stopping all meds, let's see what happens? What sub forum would that be under?

[purplehaze]

It's a well documented fact that benzos such as alprozam and clonazepam will cause seizures with w/d. Phazes mother has had many siezures before and hes witnessed it first hand its not a pretty sight. Phaze recommends if WTF is going to ween off drugs regardless of suggestions to be extremely careful as this could prove to be more dangerous than healthy. Its definitely something swiy should discuss with her doctor IMO. As many drugs have serious w/d.

[waytoofertile]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

It's a well documented fact that benzos such as alprozam and clonazepam will cause seizures with w/d. Phazes mother has had many siezures before and hes witnessed it first hand its not a pretty sight. Phaze recommends if WTF is going to ween off drugs regardless of suggestions to be extremely careful as this could prove to be more dangerous than healthy. Its definitely something swiy should discuss with her doctor IMO. As many drugs have serious w/d.

Tried to wean through Suboxone Dr. said needed stronger meds for pain. As for benzos as I said in post will be only one to slowly wean off. No other meds have severe side effects except VERY unpleasant but not deadly withdrawl from opiates, and with the lithium and mood stabilizers might go into a manic phase of the Bi-polar. If everything gets too much to handle, trust me I'll probably just disassociate and come back to being "me" in a couple weeks when I can handle it.LOL
Really, I'll be ok, and if not spouse will force me to take meds, he's good like that.

By the way Purplehaze, I like and appreciate your posts whether I agree or not they are intelligent, well-meaning, and well spoken.

Blessed Be

[purplehaze]

Wickham Park House, South London & Maudsley NHS Trust Bethlem Royal Hospital, Monks Orchard Road, Beckenham, Kent BR3 3BX, UK.
Patients seeking treatment for opiate withdrawal are commonly also dependent on benzodiazepines, although the interactions between benzodiazepine and opiate dependence and withdrawal syndromes have been subject to little systematic investigation. This is the first study comparing type, severity and course of opiate withdrawal symptoms between opiate dependent patients with, and without, concurrent benzodiazepine dependence. Patients dependent only on opiates (n = 39), and patients dependent on both opiates and benzodiazepines (n = 22), were recruited from consecutive admissions to an in-patient drug treatment unit. Quantity and duration of prior opiate use was similar for both groups. Patients completed daily self-ratings of opiate withdrawal (SOWS) for the duration of a standard in-patient detoxification treatment. Co-dependent patients were detoxified from benzodiazepines and opiates concurrently. Co-dependent patients reported a more severe withdrawal symptoms than patients withdrawing from opiates alone. Co-dependent patients had significantly more severe opiate withdrawal symptoms. Concurrent benzodiazepine withdrawal exacerbates opiate specific withdrawal symptoms. Possible psychological and neurophysiological mechanisms for the observed sensitisation are discussed.

can't source link, .gov

edit: found alternate link with more detailed information.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...edd21df7e2faea

[waytoofertile]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

can't source link, .gov

edit: found alternate link with more detailed information.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...edd21df7e2faea

Hope squisher!!!! Will take post into consideration w/ experiment.

Blessed Be

[purplehaze]

I'm not trying to destroy your hope by any means, it can be done. I certainly wouldn't recommend it considering the state of the patient i believe that medication should be administered routinely to prevent possible damage to yourself or others caused by adverse reactions, whether due to the drugs/drug withdrawl themselves or psychological issues it could potentially cause. There is a reason the doctor originally prescribed these medications, and assuming swiy is prescribed both benzo and opiate the doctor must trust and have a good explanation for doing so. However you are still an adult and have the right to choose to take medication or refuse taking medication unless you have a psychotic episode that causes harm to others and are forced to go on medication.

The best chart phaze has seen to quit benzo's is here. http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45539