Dr.'s license pulled, very sick

[waytoofertile]

OK, apparently my Dr was doing some serious illegal stuff on the side and she got her license yanked by the Div. of Narcotics and Dangerous drugs. I guess they are only in a few states, mine being one of the strictest about prescriptions. Well, I've been on Oxycontin and Dilaudid for 10 years for DJD and now all of a sudden I have to find a new doc. Prob is EVERY Dr. has heard about her and they think all her patients are addicts so won't accept any of her patients as new patients. So now I am REALLY sick and am not sure what to do. My husband was seeing her for his knee and his mommy's doc is getting him in and he's going to look into some med called Suboxen. He said we would both take it and after a week would not be sick. Is it that easy, really? And great I won't be sick but what about the horrendous pain in my spine? I guess I just have to suck it up because my Doc was an irresponsible moron and wrote Morphine to anyone that walked in off the street with a stubbed toe. Sorry, am not feeling good so am a bit grouchy. Anyone have any suggestions for easing off these meds? I don't want to be like some of her other patients, they are running around paying crazy high amounts of money just to not be sick.
If I have to just suck it up and go through the withdrawl all the way, how long does it take and what can I expect besides the sweating, shaking, nausea, and exhuastion? What days are the worst and at what point is it not so bad?
Does it have to do with the amount of meds, is it dangerous, etc? I'm just confused. I don't really understand why there is rehab for this sort of thing because if you don't want to take the meds anymore all you have to do is survive the hell off opiate w/d and then your done. After going through this why would anyone start taking it all over again if they know they have to go through this?
I called the local rehab place, who directed me to a thing called a Methadone clinic, but they said I don't qualify because I have a genuine chronic pain condition and all they do is get you addicted to that drug. They up the dose every week. How does that make sense? I'll suffer through the pain, just someone please tell me how to make it through the withdrawl! And why aren't Dr.'s held accountable for not explaining to thier patients the side effects and addictiveness of the medications before they put you on it?

So sorry this post was so long. I cannot sleep, am a shaky nervous wreck so I guess I babble. Sorry.

[mortenmannen]

yes and no. Buprenorphine will help with all your wds. but it might not give you any 'buzz' if you got that at all from the oxys and dil.
Buprenorphine \ subutex \ subuxone is used extensivly in the treatment of heroin addicts.
Either for a lifetime of medication, or for an easier way to kick the opiate habbit for good.

Its also used as a potent painkiller, but in smaller doses.

Id try tramadol first, and see if that will help with your pain now that your pretty much over the worst physical wds.

for wds without opiates;

this is what ive found usefull!



Three general approaches are available to ease the physical part of opioid withdrawal. The first is to substitute a longer-acting opioid such as*methadoneor*buprenorphine*for heroin or another short-acting opioid and then slowly taper the dose.
In the second approach,*benzodiazepines*such as*diazepam*(Valium) may temporarily ease the anxiety, muscle spasms, and insomnia associated with opioid withdrawal. The use of benzodiazepines must be carefully monitored because these drugs have abuse potential, and many opioid users also use other central nervous systemdepressants, especially alcohol. Also, although extremely unpleasant, opioid withdrawal is seldom fatal.
...
Many symptoms of opioid withdrawal are due to rebound hyperactivity of the*sympathetic nervous system, which can be suppressed with*clonidine*(Catapresan), a centrally-acting alpha-2 agonist primarily used to treat*hypertension. Another drug sometimes used to relieve the "restless legs" symptom of withdrawal is*baclofen, a*muscle relaxant. Diarrhea can likewise be treated with the peripherally active opioid drug*loperamide.

Things like antihistamines from the old days (diphenhydramine), and\or one or two sedatives like valium and zolpidem.

[oxynomo]

With the bad pain in spine.When was last dose?Swim had what sounds like same thing[someone ripping spine out]For swim it lasted 1 day after his last dose.Check some other threads ie;Paitient X withdrawal or some of the other journals to get an idea of what to expect.It will be a tough fight but worth it.Best of wishes to you. o

[UNIBLACK810]

Seems to me SWIM has gotten ones self into a pretty difficult situation.n As any opiate is difficult to kick. Once one has beaten the physical withdrawl symptoms SWIY has to worry about the mental aspect of the whole ordeal. Which SWIM finds to be the worst part. Someone earlier mentioned trying tramadol which SWIM thinks is a good choice for two reasons. First off is that it is an SSRI which may help with some of SWIY's mental withdrawl symptoms like the depression. Second off tramaol itself is not an actual opiate although it works within the body as one. It actually kinda tricks the body into thinking it is an opiate. But SWIY has been taking very strong opiates for some time now and kicking won't be a super easy task. After a good 2 weeks though majority of SWIY's physical symptom's should be completly gone. So just stick it out and be strong. It can be done and I wish you the best of luck.

[waytoofertile]

SWIM is a pathetic weak willed worm.!!!! was in so much pain and feeling so so horrible sweating and shaking , throwing up - it was unreal. I never knew it could be like that. So SWIM gave in and took some stuff her "helpful" spouse bought from some friends that in 5 years of marriage swim never met. First I know was H. Swim is not THAT stupid....close but not quite. The other though I had never even seen pics of.
It was so wierd it looked like broken glass and he hollowed out a lightbulb, got the white paint out w/ salt, then put the glass/crystals in and heated the bulb, sucking the smoke in throough a hollowed pen. Haven't slept since 20 hrs or so? And prob won't for a while. He wouldn't tell swim what that was because I freak about everything (major anxiety issues) won't even leave the house or open the doors or windows. Anyway, that's a whole other issue for another day.

SWIM just cannot believe she even saw real H let alone put it in her body. Is so disgusted. I mean there's really no desire to get high, just not be so sick and if there is a God, maybe not be in so much pain and so scared of everything all the time. I want to take my kids to the park like a normal mom. I don't deserve them, they should have a normal mom not a basket case like me they are all such great kids. I just feel like giving up, I mean what's the point? I will never be normal.

[twoofus2]

sounds like a speed ball... meth&H... STOP IT SWIY... that is playing with fire...

[oxynomo]

Swim agrees w/twoofus2 smoking meth amphetamine.Swim knows that monster real good.Sounds like swiy needs to find a pain management Dr. that also deals with addictions.They do exist as swim has been to one.Best wishes.o

[mortenmannen]

sorry to hear.. sounds like a good plan to get some weaker meds for the wd's instead of stronger ones

[YellowViolet]

If swiy has a primary care doctor make an emergency appointment and tell him/her what happened and that you just want some pain relief and to help you through the physical withdrawal. Methadone is used to help get off opiates and it is also a good pain treatment (my pain doctor told me that was what it was initially meant for and then started being used to help junkies with withdrawals) and its very cheap. I understand swiy wanting to get through the withdrawals any way they can - withdrawal sucks and swim only briefly a few times felt what it was like. So can't even imagine a full blown case with no help. Maybe swiy could even go to the ER rather than get deeper into other drugs and maybe they can help? I don't know if they will or not but maybe swiy could call and ask for advice and they'll tell swiy if they can or not.

Best wishes - I hope swiy gets help.

[waytoofertile]

Update--

SWIM Made appt w/a primary care doc that says she doesn't prescribe narcotics, but with swims history and med conditions wants to put swim on suboxone. Sounds good to me, escpecially after what happened to swim tonight. Saw urgent care doc for severe neck pain, DJD to be precise. It was in accute spasms, swim wanted to die. Anyway, doc prescribed Fentyll patches for a mnth until my appt w/ new doc that prescribes Suboxone.

Thought this was good, how could swim screw up and abuse a patch, right? Well, swim's husband was kind enough to show. Lemon juice and some heat and swim od. Doesn't remeber much' swim's spouse got her brought around. Swim feels like crap. Guess 50mg patch by iv too much for 95lb swim. Swim just wanted to not be in pain but that wasn't enough for spouse, always wants to push it and not just have relief from pain but wants the full effect. Swim almost died tonight. No joke. Don't know what to do. Swim adores spouse, but feels used. He knows because of how I look, mannerisms, education, and genuine pain issues, etc Docs always write scripts for whatever swim wants. Then spouse uses and shows swim ways to use that swim would NEVER have even thought of, let alone attempted.

I know logic says get far away from swim's spouse, but swim really truly loves him and would rather be dead than without him. Looking forward to Dr w/ plans to put swim on suboxone.That's not abusable, right? Swim just wants to be normal, whatever that is. Swim feels like crap, so sick from the fentynl. Spouse had to do cpr to bring swim around, swim just wants to cry. Why can't ever stand firm w/ spouse. So scared to be alone and love spouse so much. Swim is pathetic weak worm. No self worth, feels like miserable failue at everything. Never believes when nice things are said about them etc. Just don't know how swim got to this point. Worries nothing will ever change rearding unwilling abuse of needed meds.

Say your worst, can't be anything I don't already feel about worthless self.
Someone please reply, need advice/

[rokman nash]

Swim needs to put some space between swim/spouse,and not tomorrow but now.This sounds like a classic abusive relationship.Swim already knows this,but must do something about it NOW.All my friend can suggest is to take meds as prescribed and get some help now before its to late.

You are in charge of your personal well being,don't relinquish that control to anyone.

Your in Daves thoughts and prayers

[mortenmannen]

youre still here though!

i lost my love because i was doing silly things with drugs.. theyre not worth it, but somehow they can controll people.
tell your spouse how you feel about it, but no point unless you really want to stop it yourself.
He didnt make you use the fentanyl with force right?
youre weak now, but when better times comes would you still do the fent?
Im not gonna judge you or youre spouse, but i can relate to what kind of mess youre in.
Hope you sort it out!

use the patch as directed untill you get the subuxone. only way i can think of abusing sub is to IV it.
Like needles?

Good luck, and be safe!

[ex-junkie]

nah. swims not buying into this crap.

swiy has done nothing but play the "poor me" card, and its clear swiy knows full well what she is doing. no one is holding a g.un to your head.

take some responsibility for your actions, cause its not your doctors fault, and its not your husbands fault.

its YOUR fault, because (a) you put up with, and (b) no one is forcing you to live like this, (c) if the pain was such a bad issue, swiy could have found a doctor to prescribe methadone by now.

i hate to break it to you, :toughlove: there is no magical wand that someone can wave over you to cure you. you need to grow up, be a mother to your kids, and kick the door shut on your husband if hes really that bad.

no excuses. the only excuses you will make are those in denial. it really is that black and white honey.

[waytoofertile]

Will seriously consider what you say. I honestly don't blame anyone but myself, thats why I said I was weak willed. I should take a stand, never have before. Thanks

[oxynomo]

Gee i'm guessing first IV drug use hmmmm.Don't think so.If swiy wants clean take meds as told they are for swiy not spouse.Sounds like the two swms have a real problem.Gotta cut spouse away from swims meds or swim will never get better.