Drug info - What to expect...?

[WaterWhenCloudsCollide]

Swim(UK resident) recently bought some dried san pedro cactus in a headshop, he was told he just needed to grind it up and ingest it but he was wondering what would be the best method of achieving this, what kind of potency he can expect from something he bought in a headshop (bad experiences of buying overpriced shit there) and how much he, a first time tripper, would wish to consume of the pack. (12.5 grams)

Thanks

WaterWhenCloudsCollide added 11 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

Actually, he says it appears to be 12.5 gram extract but he's not sure what difference it makes.

[Nothingnew]

Sadly, there is no way to know the potency, especially since it is extract. SWIM knows of many extract methods that are commonly used, and some even decrease the potency. If it's dry, the easiest way to take it is to grind up, put it into capsules, and swallow them. The only way to know how much to take is to ask someone who has used the same stuff from that shop. Maybe the shop owner has used it or knows someone who has? In the US one can not buy the extract because that mean's it has been prepared for consumption and is illegal.

Dosage for pure MESCALINE threshold 100 mg light 100 - 200 mg moderate 200 - 300 mg strong 300 - 500 mg heavy 500 - 700 mg rodent LD-50 (lethal dose) 370 mg/kg (~20,000 mg)

Onset : 45 - 60 minutes
Peak : T + 4 hours
Duration : 4 - 8 hours
Come Down : 2 - 4 hours

San Pedro dosage depends on the potency of the plant. Wide varieties in potency (even between species, and within the same species) make a hard and fast rule of dosage hard to determine. Remember to test the potency if you are unsure.

SAN PEDRO DOSAGE BASED ON PROJECTED AVERAGE DRIED POTENCY:
In Theory, according to DeKorne:
100g dried (NOT EXTRACT) = 300mg Mescaline (3%)
Other sources Hoffman, Schultes: 2% mescaline dry and .12% mescaline fresh.
8 oz (226 gms) whole, unpeeled, fresh cactus = 270 mg mescaline.
12 oz (340 gms) whole, unpeeled, fresh cactus = 400 mg mescaline.



How do I know if I the San Pedro I have is strong or weak?
Ok, so this dude sold you some San Pedro. Do you have the strong kind or the weak kind? Neither you nor I have any idea. Probably neither does the dude. There are some suppliers with a track-record of selling "effective" San Pedro. If you are risk-averse, see if you can find someone who has been in business for some time and ask their other customers.

So how do I know how much to take?
Now you're sitting there with a cactus cutting in your hand, intending to commit felonious cactophagy, and are about to add aggravated weenie-cide unless I can give you a straight answer on how much of that cactus in your hand you should eat. The "maximum safe dose" of mescaline, according to Ott, is 1000 mg. Assume the worst (best) about your cactus, that it is H&B's 2.375% (dry), the most powerful pachanoi known to science. You would therefore not want to take more than 714 gms (fresh), or about 1 1/2 lbs. The threshold dose is about 150 mg, so you'd need at least 107 gms (nearly 4 oz.) to get any effect in the best (worst) case. If you got the wimpy stuff you will need to eat at least 2.5kg to get the least effect. To get the maximum safe dose from the wimpy stuff you need to eat ~17kg; probably about one-fifth your own body weight.



See, 12.5g of dried will get SWIY nowhere, but 12.5g of extract could be much more potent.

So, according to what SWIM read, SWIY may need more, SWIY may trip balls; but since you're a first timer you should have a good trip off of this amount, depending on the power of the extract, and the strain of cacti.


The one thing SWIM loves about cacti trips, is a bad trip is rare. Usually the trip comes with a good warm euphoria. And a warning, SWIY will get nauseous and possibly vomit from the cacti, but it's possible to avoid. SWIM did.


Good luck.

[WaterWhenCloudsCollide]

Thanks man, great advice. And it turns out it is not extract, so yeah, Swim will probably have to get more.

Just for Swim's future reference, does anyone know if san pedro or peruvian torch can be bought in larger amounts than 12.5g dried in headshops?

[ElectroStep]

Search online, many online ethnobotanical sites sell San Padro/Peruvian Torch in MUCH higher amounts (from 15g to multiple KG). Also it's higher quality, the 12.5 packs are pretty useless - even if they did have a decent amount.

ElectroStep added 0 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

Pedro, not padro*

[WaterWhenCloudsCollide]

Swim actually went to a headshop he trusted yesterday and got 20g of peruvian torch, he hopes to combine the two cacti and ingest them next weekend, now all that he's faced with is the prospect of drinking a disgusting juice mixture or parachuting 30 grams... But thanks for the advice anyway, he'll check the web first next time.