Side effects - Is it always this hard to sleep on opiates?

[mordisk]

Hi, Yesterday swim came up on a 60mg pink morphine pill. swim snorted half at 7 pm.. (this is their first time ever taking an opiod btw) then snorted the other half at 10pm (I am aware that snorting may have not increased the effect). So around 12 am, swim gets a little sleepy and decide it is time for bed. So they lay there tossing and turning for literally hours. could not sleep for the life of them and had an appointment at 730 am the next day (today). So finally swim decide to take about a quarter bottle of nyquil. So swim tries to sleep again, and failed. swim decided to get out of bed at 5 am and take a shower. now its 6 am, and pretty damn tired.

so my question is...
is it always this hard to sleep on opiates ?


thanks in advance for the replies

and ps; can swim do anything to stop this nauseated feeling ?

[blackie]

swim may have been robbed, if it was your first time then it should have knocked you out a bit even if snorted, never had any trouble sleeping.

[dreamstodiffer]

swim has had issues when switching between different opiates. As a chronic pain patient swim has been on several opiates. Swim has just started a 15mg ms contin regiment with perc 5 for breakthrough. Swim recalls way back when swim switched from Vicodin to Percs, swim had trouble sleeping. Tonight swim will find out if starting morphine will cause sleeplessness as well. BTW for swiys own good, 60mg of morph in one hit is a risk for opiate virgins. Swiy is luck swiy didn't wind up in hosital. Remember swim is an 8 yr pain patient and only takes at most of 30mg ms contin and up to 4 5/325 percs a day, Swim gets a slight euphoria, enough to keep swim happy, viturally no pain, and finally praise Jebus swim has found a combo to work on her pain for a long term. B4 swim was up to 10-12 perc 5s a day! Swim took my first ms contin 15mg 2 hr ago and since then (after taking care of a baby and putting down for nap) I took one perc 5 and feel fantastic with a pain level of 2-3 when I usually sit 8-9. Even reaching 10 somedays.

Anyways swims point is sleeplessness isn't as uncommon with opiates as ppl think, opiates due affect heart rate and swiy body might have been compensating for that. Also narcotics + alcohol (such as Nyquill) can = OD or death. Alcohol is a relative contraindication of morphine. Be careful and be safe! There is a reason why all perscription narcotics have that do not drink alcohol warning label.

BTW Swim is not a physcian and her advise should not be taken in lieu of a visit to your real doctor. Statements are made as purely conversational. Opinion, accurate only to the best of swims knowledge, must not bbe taken as absolute truth.

[wtfdustinwtf]

SWIM agrees with dreamstodiffer that high of does is dangerous for first time. Every persons body acts different to everything.. Usually peoples effects are very close to each other. Your body may not have the sleeping effect for w.e reason. SWIM knows from long tearm opiate use the tired affect went away. Also, SWIM finds that the first time on anything is different then the second time around.

[BumpBump]

swim has massive problems sleeping on opiates

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Morphine seems to be the opiate that gives SWIM the most sleep trouble. SWIM doesnt count time spent on the nod as actual sleep, and he inevitably has problems getting to sleep after a long morphine session. Other opiates don't effect him this way.

[Rainbowzz]

SWim notices this with codeine.. when she takes alot, she can sleep...sort of.. but its literally the type of sleep where you start to drift off, wake, drift, wake.. maybe thats more similar to the "nod" but this type of thing can go on for hours and hours at a time. In the end swim just feels more tired.

[dreamstodiffer]

update: swim slept fine last night one her new pain management regiment. Swim agains thanks Jebus for finally finding a regiment that works.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Originally Posted by Rainbowzz

SWim notices this with codeine.. when she takes alot, she can sleep...sort of.. but its literally the type of sleep where you start to drift off, wake, drift, wake.. maybe thats more similar to the "nod" but this type of thing can go on for hours and hours at a time. In the end swim just feels more tired.

What SWIY is describing IS "the nod", to a T. Other signs of the nod are, swim is awake but cannot move, or can move only with a shitload of exertion, swim closes his eyes and gets mild cevs that matter not to him, he could open his eyes and be in the middle of a house fire and be basically unconcerned, etc.

[dreamstodiffer]

Originally Posted by EyesOfTheWorld

What SWIY is describing IS "the nod", to a T. Other signs of the nod are, swim is awake but cannot move, or can move only with a shitload of exertion, swim closes his eyes and gets mild cevs that matter not to him, he could open his eyes and be in the middle of a house fire and be basically unconcerned, etc.

Swim has never nodded, what does it mean/the experience of "mild cevs"?

[returntozero]

opiates always give me trouble sleeping unless i take them within a couple hours of waking up

[swellin]

Yea ive taken shit loads of morphine, and ive yet to nod out its actually a little disappointing, can you guys explain more what nodding feels like? Ive been using daily for about 2 years, so maybe i have and just dont know it.

[Rainbowzz]

Nodding is like...
getting so incredibly comfortable that you just sort of zone out.. and drift off.. close your eyes.. not really sleeping but not really awake either.. then wake, then repeat.

[thebige]

Swim often takes opiates around the clock and does sleep,sometimes dosen't..........btw swim feels taking rec. does of opiates and then falling asleep is a waste of a rec. dose of opiates (please dont ask what a recreational dose is for swim,since he has tolerance issues at this time......................)..........

[englishkid]

If swiy has no tolerance to opiates, a strong dose will keep them awake. When one becomes an addict, the ability to nod almost has to become a skill. But, when in jail, swim would stay awake all night on heroin. Swim has been on H for 15 years. The tolerance thing always goes back to nothing after a period of abstinence. Then, when had a dose of an opiate stay awake cleaning and scrubbing or yapping away incessantly to someone trying to nod.
The 'Hyper' euphoric buzz that first time users get is common. Remember, nodding is actually a sign of overdose in normal pain management. Only in terminal cancer etc do doctors seem to find it acceptable to let patients doze in and out under morphia euphoria. Anyway, the scale is like this- warmness- take more and comfort- more and overwhelming warmth and obvious itching. Take more and it's hyper-action, more its's nod time and finally, if you take more after that, then it's danger time.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Originally Posted by dreamstodiffer

Swim has never nodded, what does it mean/the experience of "mild cevs"?

CEV's= closed eye visuals. This only happens to SWIM when nodding HARD from straight opium or poppies, something about pham opies and dope gets lost in translation from nature's product, but, yes, when nodding very hard he will sometimes have mild closed eye visuals, or a feeling of dreaming while technically awake.

[Routemaster Flash]

Originally Posted by blackie

swim may have been robbed, if it was your first time then it should have knocked you out a bit even if snorted, never had any trouble sleeping.

Nah, SWIM always has trouble sleeping on poppy tea, even (or rather, especially) at high doses. OK, so there are active compounds in poppies other than morphine, but it's the main one. Same thing is notices on codeine, which is metabolised into morphine.

Interesting that others in this thread say being kept awake is common for opiate newbies - SWIM uses them occasionally and is trying to keep it that way, physical dependence sounds like no fun at all.

[blackie]

Swim had a muck about the other night & found that if he did, trouble sleeping arose, which was a surprise as have never had trouble on normal scribed dose, very strange.

[gmeziscool2354]

morphine makes swim not able to sleep. especially at high doses. 60 mgs would keep me up for ever. its like a too high to sleep thing, not like a tweeked thing.

i thought he was the only one who suffers from it, but Swim is glad to know it affects others this way.

[swellin]

I feel way to good when im on morphine to go to sleep, that the problem i have, and i cannot fall asleep unless im on the verge of passing out.

[ConcertaXL]

sounds unusual, somnolence is common with opiates. i understand opiate/benzo combos are dangerous but a low dose of a short acting benzo may be appropriate in these circumstances.... and the alcohol content of 1/4 bottle nyquil is not dangerous but dont drink any more because of the APAP and phenylephrine. if the APAP doesnt harm your liver the PE could mess with your heart or make you seriously sick.

[davestate]

It's quite common actually, morphine in hospital knocked swim sideways when he was in hospital with a broken tibia, fibula and ankle and recovering from a tibial nail insertion. The doctors said I would feel sleepy but drift in and out of sleep and be very irritable...which was exactly what happened. The sleep was not "fulfilling" either. I initially put it down to the pain and swelling, but you would think a PCA programmed to deliver 1mg/5mins on demand would KO you, but this was true only if you pressed it religiously every 5mins, which, as this was SWIMs 1st opiate experience, he (foolishly! ) hated pressing it too often as it made him itchy, irritable and constipated.

Tramadol also did the same thing in the following convalencent months, unfortunately the pain never went away and SWIM still needs the opiates, or walking becomes very painful. The difficulty sleeping never really goes away, however 10mg's temazepam KO's SWIM, but this is neither a practical or long term solution.

For futher reading, see these links. As always, everyones body is different, and SWIY may react differently, SWIM would say insomnia during withdrawl has a higher incidence

http://www.medscape.com/druginfo/mon...tement&secid=4

[duhduhduhda]

i think it depends on the substance used
back in the day when swim was an opiate noob morphine kept him awake because of the itching whereas oxycodone would give him an energetic high

nowadays swim's tolerance is so that no matter how much hydromorphone he takes it's practically impossible to nod or to get drowsy it merely keeps him feeling good and functional swim gets more talkative too

swim's on methadone now though so any trying to get high is futile

[swellin]

Im pissed off i dont think ive ever experienced nodding yet i use every day just about, and have done so for the past year and i take 200mg of morphine daily. And i take oxy as awell, oxy and morphine make me energetic and talkative and then the come down i am a bit tired.

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[Grabnar]

swim doesn't touch opiates ne more but when he needed nod mode a 1 mg fentanyl patch dissolved in good ol lemonade is the proper drink for swim. also suggested to nurse this slowly and save the rest for later as swim thinks fent is teh strong even in a 20oz bottle