Oral use - coca tea and bakingsoda?

[Shr00merized]

swim wonder how he should mix the baking soda and the coca tea to get a little buzz?
swim hade 2 tablespoons of coca tea powder in a little bowl,mixed in a small amount of water and lots of baking soda\bicarb and let it dry a little for 10min and then he toke two coffefilters with the mix and lay inside his mouth. the only problem he have is that after a small time his mouth is full with saliva,should he just spitt it out ? not the tea powder just the saliva..
sorry my english,i will try to explain better if no one understand

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swim hade one good bonghit before he tok the tea mix in his mouth,and is now at
+30 an feeling little stimulated(coffe like) and a little numb in his mouth.
he have to spit out a little of the saliva to have the tea mixture in his mouth longer.
swim found some pictures on the internet that look like the same metod he use.
swims dream is
the coca tea mixture,little rain water,2 tablespoon cocateapowder and a lots of bicarbonate\bakingsoda

cutted of coffefilter

pour the mixture in the cutted of coffe filter and but it inside your mouth.he put one each side of his mouth

[Potter]

Nobody usually mixes the powder and the leaf in the bag, then wets it a little, or holds a sip of tea in their mouth when inserting it. Seems messy and wasteful to wet it before packing.

[Benga]

yes, same here for the critter. coffee filters are also not that comfortable to keep in one's mouth.
the key / often unrespected rule of coca chewing consists of keeping the saliva in one's mouth for as long as possible.
check out http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...3483&page=2#47

[piuiher]

yes, SWIY can try using bandaid perhaps (very thin)

[Benga]

Originally Posted by piuiher

yes, SWIY can try using bandaid perhaps (very thin)

what is bandaid ?
the only band aid i know of has glue on it, and not something one would like to keep in one's mouth for 40 minutes...
unless swiyou implies shutting one's mouth with a bandaid, which sounds, well a little over the top

swim's used gauze in the past though,
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12648

but has since found just using the plain teabag much more efficient

[Potter]

Adhesive bandages??? super gross. Tea bag man, get a bloody tea bag.

[Shr00merized]

thanks for the link.the metode swim used worked but he will try the bandage method later to so if it is better.

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[aroidgrower]

Swim's now favorite use of coca leaves is to grind them add a little baking soda and keeping powder in swim's mouth for 15 - 20 minutes.

The effect is faster than tea bags with unground leaves but the drawback is that it doesn't last as long as using tea bags.

[helikophis]

Going to have to agree with Potter here; tea bags are the way to go. The way to do it is just to buy a box of tea, carefully tear open one of the packets, pour out the tea, replace it with coca powder and bicarb, fold the packet so the contents don't fall out, moisten it, and place in mouth. Hold it there, and retain the saliva for as long as possible.

[Gradient]

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread in which to post this question, but I'm sure I'll be corrected soon if it isn't.

Does anyone have a confident value for the percentage potentiation possible by adding sodium bicarbonate to coca mate? In other words, has anyone done the calculation for how much adding baking soda to the tea renders it a more approachable environment for the stimulant alkaloids in the coca?
If not a value - is there some accepted standard interval by which such a preparation would confer a potentiation of alkaloid absorption?- like two-times or three-times or twenty-times more potent?
I'm referring specifically to the tea, and not buccal absorption.

[Potter]

Adding any more then a slight pinch of baking soda to tea ruins the flavor quite quickly, not that people don't partake in the ashy water that coca bags are served in at a certain festival nobody attends.

You might do better to take some tums beforehand, quench the stomach acids at the source, it will be much more palatable.

Benga's last line is rather important, more then an eighth of baking soda can make you shit your brains out the next day. It's the kind of shit that sneaks up on you, feels like gas. DO NOT FART the day after ingesting much baking soda, go to the toilet and let it out there! This can not be stressed enough. Do not shit your self!

[ubeRAGEoUS]

Originally Posted by Potter

It's the kind of shit that sneaks up on you, feels like gas. DO NOT FART the day after ingesting much baking soda, go to the toilet and let it out there! This can not be stressed enough. Do not shit your self!

Zumozumo is ROFL.

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Made Zumozumo's day.

[Gradient]

Thank you Benga and Potter,

I appreciate the information provided, and will certainly act accordingly. I'm not interested in buccal absorption - despite all of the experiential information on heightened efficacy by buccal administration, oral is the method that is preferred. Also, I'm well aware of the nasty oral effects of sodium bicarbonate - thanks for the reminder, however! I'm most interested in information regarding getting the 'most bang for my buck.' I hope re-expressing my question doesn't offend either of you.

Benga,

The amplified potency of the tea is what I'm curious about. Specifically, to what degree does the addition of sodium bicarbonate modify the pH environment of the warm water solvent? Additionally, how much of a greater extraction of alkaloids can one expect from such an introduction of baking soda, based on an average pKa/pKb of the psychoactive alkaloids? I suppose this is more of a chemistry question than a question regarding preparations. How much less ionization (inactivation of psychoactivity) of cocaine-alkaloids can one expect from the introduction of sodium bicarbonate? I'm not surprised that such a study hasn't been conducted on full-spectrum extractions; perhaps a study on just the cocaine alkaloid will suffice, given the fact that it is the predominant psychoactive component and similar compounds will behave chemically similar. I understand that this is a difficult question, but I simply cannot find a journal article that addresses this question.

It is true that traditional preparations do not assume the addition of any base to potentiate the potency of the plant, but I've been told by close friends that if one were to make a trip to Machupichu today, they could ask for some lime (the mineral) to help potentiate oral absorption - tour guides and veterans of the Inca Trail are widely familiar with the practice. I know that this tends to be used for buccal absorption, but my friend swears that his guide just put some of the same material into his tea - which generated a much more potent tea than he was used to drinking. It would seem to me that, if the goal of the use of lime is to neutralize the saliva's pH, why wouldn't a similar approach generate similar potentiation in a region of the body characterized by even lower pH's - the stomach.

Potter,

I've tried the basify-your-stomach methods to somewhat of a success of potentiating the tea. However (and I'm sure you know this), clearly this method is limited directly by the quantity of alkaloids extracted from the tea-bag that are present in the solvent-tea. My friend loves ingesting the tea orally due to taste, and would like to amplify the availability of psychoactive compounds therein that are able to be absorbed by means of this preparation specifically.

I'll do my best not to shit myself. I promise.