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Old 18-02-2009, 01:22
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Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM just came across 6 gabapentin 100 mg each. I hadn't found much on them. Does any one know if SWIM ate about 3 of them if there would be a high of some sort or what? SWIM likes to IV stuff to so could SWIM iv these. If any one has any answer to any of these plz reply. And SWIM not sure if this is the right section for this but i searched and found most of the post in this section. Thnx for all of the help.
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Old 18-02-2009, 01:24
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Re: Got a question about gabapentin

i dont know about doseage but DONT SHOOT THEM. it would be incredibly dangerous and they work fine orally. im not sure about doseage and swim has no XP with them so idk bout that part..
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Old 18-02-2009, 18:44
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Re: Got a question about gabapentin

Swim is on 800mg three times a day, the recomended starting dose would be 100mg three times a day. Swim doesnt see any value in recreational use of gabapentin. Swim has read that Lyrica which is the newer version of the drug can have similar effects as gbl/gbh at very high doses.

swim would not recomend that swiy Iv the gabapentin
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Old 18-02-2009, 18:50
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Re: Got a question about gabapentin

OH GOD. DONT IV THIS SHIT!

Its got little to no recreational value really...
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Old 18-02-2009, 19:32
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Re: Got a question about gabapentin

Yeah, no IV'ing. Please. And some users report Xanax(R) (alprazolam) effects in gabapentin and pregabalin (this can be read on Neurontin(R) and Lyrica(R) medicine literature given with samples) when taken at medium to high starting doses, specially among patients with medication knowledge.
After reading this, which swim though was very stupid of them to put btw *kinda seems like an open invitation*, swim just feels mild euphoria, sedation/relaxation & a sense of completeness when taking appropriate doses... and, in swim and swims friends case, for example, it kinda feels like smoking bud is unnecessary, as they all feel similar effects. Swim would try 50 mg first, just to make sure you are not particularly sensitive to this medication and then 250mg after 30-45 mins, given no tolerance exists. If no noticeable effects, try the rest after 90-120 minutes.

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Re: Got a question about gabapentin

Near impossible to OD on gabapentin or do any serious damage. As warned already, not for shooting. SWIMs guess would be that 300-600mg will just make SWIY sleepy. SWIM has had patients take entire bottles of gabapentin trying to purposefully OD and had family members get bent went SWIM chuckled a little about their sheer stupidity.

As "high" goes, Lyrica now, pregabalin, is a different beast entirely, LOL. At least for SWIM.

SWIM thinks SWIklonopinz "small test dose" is a wise idea for any med/drug a SWIY hasn't personally tried before.

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Old 19-02-2009, 19:25
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Re: Got a question about gabapentin

I'm sorry to tell you this, but very little of the pills are absorbed... the more MG you take, the less that is absorbed. SWIM takes about 3000-3600 mg with a good meal and some grapefruit juice about a half an hour before taking the pills. SWIY will get a tolerance to it fairly quickly. Food helps it absorb more.. SWIY's "stash" will NOT get you high. There is really no set limit on gabapentin overdose.

"Tolerance develops at an astonishing rate as well. Gabapentin is often used as a replacement for other benzos (Valium, Xanax, Klonopin), when taken in large doses it produces similar effects as the three listed."

Wikipedia

SWIM came across a big bottle of 225 or so pills of 600mg ea.... SWIM feels bad because the pills were his now dead grandpa's.. oh well

lightning_po added 1 Minutes and 35 Seconds later...

Oh yes... SWIM forgot to tell you that trying to overdose on Gabapentin is like trying to bverdose on poptarts... you will not die from all the bottles of pills, you would probably die from choking on them when you swallow.

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Good information.
Wikipedia is anything but a reliable source for information; try reciting from a published article in future.
Great info. Informative. TY!

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Old 22-02-2009, 23:52
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM finds the most effective dose is about 3000 - 3600mg with a full stomach. To add acidity, drinkk 2 pepsies (24 oz or so) with a splash of lemon juice 30 minutes before. More acidity, the more is absorbed. Don't take more than 3600mg of gabapentin or you absorn less.

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PS this kind of a trip makes you dizzy and heavy... and dumb... that's why they call it morontin
It is a kind of somewhat of a mild trip


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Old 22-02-2009, 23:59
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM finds gabapentin and pregabalin both feel a lot like GHB/GBL or perhaps clonazepam/diazepam with more euphoria...Has a speedy feel then hits you with sedation...the doses have to be in the 1gram range for gabapentin but it is very interesting in low doses as well, but tolerance is built instantly. Lyrica kicks in faster, hits harder, and SWIM thinks it might even be more potent and lasts longer, but the feelings are about the same, which makes sense pharmalogically. It effects everyone differently though....

SWIM personally finds himself less anxious, both mind and body, relaxed muscles, social, talkative, somewhat energetic and motivated in a way, and then it leads into some intense sedation with a relaxed feeling that continues. Thats on the lower end of "recreational" doses. SWIM honestly thinks people are better off using it as prescribed, but SWIM finds it doesn't do much when used as prescribed.

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Old 05-04-2009, 05:40
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

6 100mg will likely give you a whole lot of nothing or perhaps some very minor relaxation. FYI - a typical starter dose from a prescription is 100mg tid with the plan to triate up. The typical therapuetic dose is around 400mg tid - SWIMY will need to take a few grams to notice any effects. SWIM has heard some people love the GABA, SWIM on the other hand is not too impressed.
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Old 05-04-2009, 06:29
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

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6 100mg will likely give you a whole lot of nothing or perhaps some very minor relaxation. FYI - a typical starter dose from a prescription is 100mg tid with the plan to triate up. The typical therapuetic dose is around 400mg tid - SWIMY will need to take a few grams to notice any effects. SWIM has heard some people love the GABA, SWIM on the other hand is not too impressed.
That isn't completely true. SWIM himself has experienced effects at very low dosages. He believes perhaps if the user doesn't know what to expect they won't notice, but he picks up the effects very quickly and at low doses, although subtly, it is just potency that makes this drug ISO not very practical recreationally, as negative side-effects increase greatly at recreational doses. SWIY is correct about the starter dose, but has seen people get it prescribed for as needed use in varying dosages. Although SWIM is very skeptical about this drug and it's marketing, along with what it really should be doing, and what could possibly be placebo.
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Old 14-05-2009, 04:15
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

a big negative for gabapentins recreational use among beginners is the long onset period. it can be several hours before one feels anything. swim found 1200-1600 to be decent but tried much higher doses before. he found one last 400 mg pill once and popped that not expecting much but actually felt quite good off of it
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:42
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM tried Gabapentin yesterday for the first time, he took 1200mg. Yes it took like 1 hour to start feeling it and a little more for full effects.
Effects included a relaxation of the body, a nice dizziness, limbs fet detached.
There was some trouble reading, like when one has nistagmus, but the eyes werent moving. He felt very happy, but he doesn´t know if this was part of the high or maybe he was just happy trying something new.
He then took 0.25mg clonazepam and 2.5mg diacepam, wich amplifies the effects.
He laid in bed and felt very cozy, rubbing his feet with the sheets and the pillows. He read old logs from msn and laughed and lot. Then he fell asleep, slept like a baby, but not for many hours, and he woke up pretty refreshed. Normally he sleeps a lot and its hard to wake up and get out of bed.

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Old 02-06-2009, 02:48
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM takes Gabapentin 600mg 3 times a day, and it does have little recreational value for SWIM. It seems to make opiate buzzes a bit better too. It makes swim feel a bit relaxed, like SWIM had a couple drinks...that place where one isn't blitzed, but not exactly sober. That's just anecdotal evidence though.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

SWIM did Gabapentin for the second time yesterday, This time with a lower dose.
He took 300mg at afternoon and took a nap. Upon waking up a couple hours later, he took 600mg more. A friend showed up, at this point SWIM was feeling something akin to a drunken state, semi lightly slurred speech and dizziness, cotton mouth. They went for a mini walk. As time went by, this drunken feeling was replaced with a more stimulant effect. Not physical, but mental. He wanted to talk, he talked really fast and changed subjects a lot. He isnt that chatty normally. Music was awesome, every song sounded epic, giving him goosebumps.
They had sex, and it was wonderful, although he couldn't achieve climax he was really into it.
Then they had dinner. They drank some beer, and he did some benzos (0.5mg clonazepam, later 2.5mg diacepam and even later 0.5 alprazolam) The combination of Gabapentin+alcohol+benzos didn't feel particularly dangerous, but he does benzos everyday, so caveat!
This time he had some trouble drifting into sleep, but again, laying in bed was very nice.
He still doesn't understand why a lower dose had more effects this time... mayne because the first time he was alone?
He will keep experimenting but he says he´s gonna wait a couple of days so tolerance doesn't build.
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Old 19-06-2009, 17:13
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

There's quite a bit of info in this thread: Drug info - Gabapentin (Neurontin). There were some recreational reports of its use on erowid with about the doses swiy was asking about.

Swim was researching gabapentin about a year back because swim's dad was prescribed it for a burning feeling in the legs. Swim never tried gabapentin though.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

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He still doesn't understand why a lower dose had more effects this time... mayne because the first time he was alone?
He will keep experimenting but he says he´s gonna wait a couple of days so tolerance doesn't build.
Well, from Swiv's understanding, the more Gabapentin that one takes, the less it works. It starts giving diminishing returns once one gets past a certain amount. Less really is more, as bioavailability goes down as dosage goes up. So it's all about finding the sweet spot.
If one can find their most effective dose, they can get the most out of it. More is definitely not better in this case.
From the PI sheet:
Quote:
"As dose is increased, bioavailability decreases. Bioavailability of gabapentin is approximately 60%, 47%, 34%, 33%, and 27% following 900, 1200, 2400, 3600, and 4800 mg/day given in 3 divided doses, respectively."

Source: Jerod Poore and the Neurontin PI sheet.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

People have said that it is used for anxiety and depression which the rapid tolerance would cause problems with.

Swim has tried 1500mg of Gabapentin and the main effect was sleepiness and dizzyness, but made him feel quite nice. Swim thought it was better than nothing, but wasn't great.
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Old 01-07-2009, 00:04
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Any Lab Rat tried Gabapentin with Tryptamines like 4-aco´s and 4-ho´s or Phenetylamines like 2c-´s? How safe (or unsafe) is this?
SWIM finds that Gabapentin can produce visuals by itself, not as strong as serotoninergics, but they look like what most people see on Ambien. Everything seems to move a little, but on its place. Colors are enhanced too, and with eyes closed theres a space not so dissimilar with a low dose of salvia or ketamine (the visual space, not the feeling).

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Old 12-08-2009, 20:28
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

I know this is marked as "oral use" but SWIM would like to add that gabapentin goes very well administered rectally.
300mg in 2ml, and effects took no more than 5 minutes to kick in. No other differences in effects. Maybe a little more sedating than oral.

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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Gabapentin has been associated with dependence and a nasty withdrawal syndrome, so caution must be advised:

See here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=152&id=7630
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=152&id=7629

It has also been associated with rhabdomyolysis

see here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=152&id=7628

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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

1800 mg Neurotin with few drinks and few bonghits rocks ur socks !
Really good mood next day, very deep sleep and funny dreams, bad coordination,few visual distortions(colors changing)
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Swim uses Gabapentin for Heroin W/D. Swim has been using gabapentin for 45+ days at about 2100mg-3900mg a day (split over 3 times). Most swim took at one time was 2100mg and honestly it did nothing for him. Perhaps it was all the H use. It helps a little with the pain but still cant get any sleep, maybe 1-2h each night.
Swim was told by his doctor he will have to keep on taking gabapentin for the next 4 months. Wouldnt call this a good recreational drug. Switch to something else... and dont EVER iv this shit.
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

Nonmedical uses of Gabapentin:

300-600 mg CAN work as a benzo substitute for the truly desperate

1500-3000 mg does indeed produce an altered state. SWIM doesn't know if he'd call it a "high", but it's definitely wobbly, forgetful, sleepy....if swoy is a "downer person" give it a try. It won't kill you and the high wont go bad on you, if you dont particularly enjoy it, just go to sleep

1200-1500 mgs makes an excellent sleep aid


various doses can somewhat help with opiate, benzo and alcohol WD. SWIY has to work these doses out for swiyself


As for IVing it, it's true that every medical warning issued about this pill specifically states one should not IV it. Nevertheless, SWIM has a horrifying needle fixation and a few months back needed to IV SOMETHING. 3,000 mgs Gabapentin was selected. I wont tell you what he did to prep the pills for IVing because i dont want anyone copying him, but he tells me that after the shots (yes, shotS plural, took 3 full 1cc rigs), nothing happened. Nothing bad, nothing good, no change at all. He knows that orally this drug can take up to 2 hours to kick in. Turns out that even IV it took 20 minutes. Basically he felt the same wobbly/tired/drunken/stumbliness he would have felt from oral use, only stronger
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Re: Gabapentin Recreational Use?

When SWIM first started on these he got a VERY nice high from 3000mgs. Even now he still gets a nice head change with a tolerance. Do not IV. SWIM is perscribed 1600mgs a day,but needs to take at least 4000 to get any anti depressant effects.
Thats just SWIMs experience though.

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