Smoking - Caffeine in freebase form

[Amadameus]

Recently I've come across some information about how to free caffeine from its base in much the same way as crack. Unfortunately, I have no experience with the preparation of crack and some of my friends have voiced concerns about the procedures I've found online.

There are a few videos (which I'm confident are legitimate and not just gags) which detail the extraction of caffeine from coffee grounds and its conversion into freebase form, so it can be smoked "just the same as crack." Here is the procedure it describes:

1) Boil a pot of coffee grounds and water thoroughly
2) Filter out the grounds, rinse several times to draw out everything
3) Boil until water is gone, leaving a gooey black 'coffee sludge'
4) Add pure ammonia in about 1:1 ratio with sludge
5) Carefully boil away ammonia
6) Scrape out sludge, smoke it just as you would smoke freebase crack.

This has raised both my eyebrows and those of some more knowledgeable friends, who are worried mostly because the procedures they remember also involved ethyl ether or baking soda, neither of which is mentioned here.

My question is twofold: Can anyone confirm that this procedure for making freebase caffeine is accurate and safe, and does ammonia with "surfactant" added make it unsafe for use here? It's not 'Sudsy' or 'Lemon Scent' and there is no mention of Bitrex on the bottle.

Thanks very much!

[dr. swim]

Well, you're still gonna be left with the freebase of all the other alkaloids in the coffee bean, your best bet would be to just buy some anhydrous online.

[Amadameus]

Thanks for the information - after a little bit of looking around online, I discovered a good, cheap site that mails high quality chemicals to personal addresses. I haven't received any shipments from them, but I've got 5 oz of anhydrous caffeine coming in the mail.

Thanks again! This is a great resource.

[Jatelka]

There is a video in the archive here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ebase+caffeine

on this (what will people think of next?)

[expertergaz]

would you be able to use baking soda just like with crack?

[psykonaut]

Why would you smoke caffeine? You could just get some NO-DOS from a cornerstore and grind it into a powder. I honestly can't see this giving any positive effects or a good high though.

[AlteredConscious]

SWIM has tried a baking soda 'cracking' method with anhydrous powder in a water solution. The resultant 'crack caffeine' smoked easier than the original powder, obviously. But was still far from 'smokable' for recreational usage. Also SWIM found the taste of the smoke was awful. Insufflation is a much better route of administration.

AlteredConscious added 1220 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by psykonaut

Why would you smoke caffeine? You could just get some NO-DOS from a cornerstore and grind it into a powder. I honestly can't see this giving any positive effects or a good high though.

Caffeine powder for insufflation is really quite something. It has high recreational potential, and potential for usage as a simple 'tool' as it were. SWIM can experience a little lift should he need it, or get a real buzz from higher doses.

[dr. swim]

oh god caffeine powder is so horribly bitter and disgusting.

and caffeine sucks on it's own. if you want something fun try Jolt energy gum, chew like 2-4 pieces up just a little and park them between your cheeck like dip. GREAT rush.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

There is a video in the archive here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ebase+caffeine

on this (what will people think of next?)

That is horribly scary to consider.

Smoking caffeine sounds like an open invitation to a panic attack, and hell maybe even a seizure. Sure caffeine is an alkaloid just like morphine and cocaine, but so is atropine (main active ingredient in Belladonna), should that be isolated and smoked as well??

[Amadameus]

Originally Posted by psykonaut

Why would you smoke caffeine? You could just get some NO-DOS from a cornerstore and grind it into a powder. I honestly can't see this giving any positive effects or a good high though.

First of all, No-Doz contains additives that are intended to speed the digestion of the caffeine - you don't want to snort that stuff, it burns; and you DON'T want it to get mixed in with any chemical processes either. If you want to snort caffeine or even just find the raw powder, I HIGHLY suggest you use Vivarin or its generic cousin, Stay Awake.
Even better, some chemistry supply companies will sell you pure caffeine by the ounce at a deep discount to any of these pills. ($XXX for 5 ounces? That's about 700 doses, which comes out to a little over a penny for 200mg. Can Stay Awake compete with that?)

Originally Posted by dr. swim

oh god caffeine powder is so horribly bitter and disgusting.

and caffeine sucks on it's own. if you want something fun try Jolt energy gum, chew like 2-4 pieces up just a little and park them between your cheeck like dip. GREAT rush.

The merits of caffeine aside, I would contend that caffeine is quite palatable. I may be used to the taste by now, but I can comfortably chew and absorb two tablets of Stay Awake through the soft tissues of my mouth. The taste is a little bitter, but the aftertaste is different and somewhat refreshing. It's a quite discreet, immediate high that's excellent to keep you going through the day!

Jolt doesn't have anything other than caffeine, guarana (which is code for 'more caffeine') and ginseng. I'd much rather take the pure chemical than walk around all day with a slobbering plug stuck in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

That is horribly scary to consider.

Smoking caffeine sounds like an open invitation to a panic attack, and hell maybe even a seizure. Sure caffeine is an alkaloid just like morphine and cocaine, but so is atropine (main active ingredient in Belladonna), should that be isolated and smoked as well??

PROPER DOSAGE is critical in any drug. It doesn't matter if you're taking aspirin or ecstasy, it's vital to know how much you're taking. This aside, smoking caffeine has no effects other than the traditional ones, but the vehicle (smoke) makes it much faster-acting. That's all.