Opinions - Waxy, Oily MDMA?

[DruMDMAndBass]

SWIM recently picked up some MDMA from a new dealer, but still a reliable source. The MDMA looked soft and not so crystally, it was a greyish white colour. When SWIM felt the MDMA it had a very waxy feel to it and left your fingers waxy and oily. Also when the rocks were broken up it seemed to be alot more powdery than normal!.. It seemed to work ok though..
Apparently it got put on a drug testing machine for Speed, Mdma and Cocaine and didnt show up as one of them, but i dont know how true this is as its only what someones told me!..

Anyone have any clues why this md was soft and waxy when its usually hard, rocky and crystally?

[DruMDMAndBass]

Anyone?

[Readux]

This thread can go anywhere, there's no way of identifying a chemical just by looks. But SWIM has had pipes and they were all harder and waxier than usual. And people will say anything, only testing kits should be relied on.

[Moody]

X had the same, very mushy stuff.

Last few batches have been getting worse and worse until this was the last bit.

Very soft and mushy with a soft powdery coating and very amber and not at all see through crystal like middle.

Swiy will notice the taste and smell is slighty different than the usual mdma.

X was told that it was rushed through, as demand was high....it usually taking a few days to dry but x could take it away today, x was told that it wouldn't lose weight.

X trusts his friends but has come to the conclusion that this was mdxx and not mdma as the effects were very trippy and more chemically rather than fluffy and plesant. Also, not able to sleep on this when usualy can on mdma.

Also watch out for some very similar stuff that I've heard people call toffee. Rock hard non translucant, comes in big boulders and fine powder and has been passed off as mdma....


X has been told that the reasons for this is that the mdma comes over in liquid form and that a chemical is added over here to crystalize it into the crystal mdma that we all know. X has been told that this chemical has now been restricted in all countries in europe thus leading to people trying other methods thus resulting in rather dodgy mdxx(?) type drugs.

Do not buy this.
Tell people that are trading this that it is not good.
It is not mdma what ever they tell you.
X has some very reliable sources.
Thanks.

[DruMDMAndBass]

When SWIM tasted it, there was still a strong chemical taste, but it didnt seem as bad and revolting as usual!

And cheers for your help Moody

[Moody]

X has just been informed that solvents present in the crystals are still wet/damp in this batch leading to the trippy effects and the nasty feeling the following day.

[Silentscream]

In the UK at the moment there is a large amount of an unknown substance(s) purporting to be MDMA up and down the country. Swim has been himself to see 'MDMA' from several dealers now and has told each and every one of them trying to sell this stuff that he is not interested.

It sure as hell doesn't possess any of the physical qualities of good MDMA that swim has seen in the past.

I would be interested to see what this substance actually tests up as, some sort of piperazine blend (as is the case with most fake pills in the UK), possible Mephedrone/methylone based blend of substances (due to their semi-legality in the UK) or some other MDxx?

However until some good soul is able to properly test this substance, speculation is pointless.

The only advice swim can offer is not to consume random unknown chemicals!

[chaos05]

Pips are being pressed with brown sugar into blocks and sold as MDMA.

Dont buy this garbage

[fezzer]

By the way, the following post was written by a friend of a friend, as he has no computer just so everyone knows - I don't do drugs

Silentscream, I am inclined to agree - I am writing this on the sunday, having returned from a friends house after a binge. We purchased 3.5 g of this friday night, having slept last night I woke up and have since been looking for any other reports of this stuff. I bought it from my usual source, who normally gets crystals and strangely he offered me on OZ of the product for £xxx (I didn't ask, he offered which is unusual and suggests he is getting the stuff much cheaper, I'm not interested in that amount).
Normally I get the crystals, which is a sure sign of some purity - A crystal lattice structure will only form where there are minimal impurities, even if the crystals are loose and dusty in between, the fact that they have formed tells you something (can't be sure of what it is, but whatever it is is fairly pure).
I'm very curious about this stuff, and I would like to find out if anyone has any more information. Being a keen user of Mephedrone, I can safely say it does not contain that or Methylone - due to the complete lack of smell (meph stinks). I can also be quite sure that it does not contain any BZP/TFMPP etc... due to the fact that I am keen on snorting MDxx - and have in the past snorted pure BZP/TFMPP - which was the most painful experience ever, the pain from snorting the 'MDxx' in question was nowhere near as bad.
Im certain from how it has been described that I have exactly the same chemical, its effects were definetly much 'trippier' than normal, and seemed to last nearly twice the amount of time a proper MDMA buzz should. I would compare the trippy side to something like Pfpp which is the only piperazine I still enjoy to this day.
I didn't say anything to my friends at the time (in order to not worry them), but I kept a careful eye on everyone because I'm exploring the possibility that this substance is cut with PMA, an extremely dangerous amphetamine.
I don't mean to scare people, and I'm probably (hopefully wrong) but after ruling out pips (Is there a way to alter a piperazine to make it better up your nose? I don't know?) and Mephedrone/Methylone its another logical conclusion given the effects. I also have a friend who in the past has eaten loads of double stacked Mitsi's containing PMA and the effects as described by him seem pretty much the same..? (entire room swaying, as if my mates room front room was a boat, among others - also the longevity of the high)

I hope I'm wrong, I still have a tiny bit left in a baggy but I don't posses a test kit, and have no money...

[captainpoohat]

X just picked up quite alot of this weird looking stuff (supposedly MDMA) from what was a well trusted dealer (South West Region). Large light grey opaque 'rocks' with a white power coating on them. X said that when broken down it seemed soft, almost damp and turns into a clumpy greyish powder - not crystal. Apparently it tastes almost like normal mdma but slightly different - sometimes almost sweet maybe tastes burnt. Doesn't have the MDMA smell..doesn't really smell of anything apart from a weak chemical smell maybe. X Had some last night only 3 small bombs and did kind of come up - a slight of a buzz, and kept him awake until about 4.30 - then he had no problem sleeping. no gurning/eye wobbles. He thinks (or maybe hopes - that there is at least some MDMA in this weird mixture. X usually reacts badly to pips (nausea, anxiety, horrible taste in mouth, insomnia) so he doesn't think it was this. Nevertheless X is very pissed off as its clearly not pure mdma. It sounds very similar to the stuff that has been discussed in this thread. Could you confirm this by looking at this picture I just uploaded in the image gallery - I named it "Unknown substance - MDMA?"

Does anyone know anything more about this stuff since the last few posts? X would really like to know. Thankyou!

[fezzer]

Sorry Captainpoohat, can't find your pic. I have been to see a list of dealers as long as my arm looking for something nice and clean - everybody, even those who don't sell gear have got this 'MDMA' for sale, its so cheap everyone wants to make a quick buck on it. The most recent batches I have seen have dried out somewhat and look more convincing, however are still the same.
I take back my previous comment about this possibly being PMA, sure someone would have died by now...

[captainpoohat]

It is posted under the "Fake MDMA March 09" report on ****************. Just out of interest - how would you describe the effects after taking it? Mr Hanky described it -

I just felt awake - but none of the good MDMA effects - loved up, dancing, chatting etc. I've heard various rumours, some are convinced its piperzines (some sort of blend), others have said like Moody above. I personally think its some pips - apparently you can buy BZP in a crystal form off the internet now so maybe its that?

[DruMDMAndBass]

SWIM thinks that it felt quite speedy.. SWIM could feel a change in his body, a feeling like he was going to buzz out.. But after waiting, and waiting, and waiting, it never really happened!.. If SWIM consumed quite alot (0.7/0.8g) within a short space of time it kinda hit the spot, but nothing compared to an intense gurning your face off MDMA buzz.

[Lotus]

SWIM belives this is either repressed or adulterated with some amphetamine or simialar substance. Do not purchase this stuff, get the message back this shit is not wanted.

[Micklemouse]

Has anyone reagent tested this apparent bunk?

[Moody]

X has been across the country looking for the real deal but this is everywhere.

X has seen various batches of it from very waxy/powdery and soft to a drier more soild form.

X has found that the very soft stuff tastes mainly of sugar and citric acid and is very weak, where as the 'drier' more solid stuff is very potent and not at all nice to take.

X would descibe the buzz as the above post I made earlier, very speedy and slighty trippy with lights changing colour and some slight tessellating patern visuals.
Not at all like the fluffy MDMA buzz.

If X were to break open the rocks or even scrape off the waxy/powder coating there is some kind of dark dense crystaline (like a fine honeycomb) inside, the more apparent this filling, the stronger it is.

X has been told that this stuff is everywhere and there is lots of it about.

Please could someone stick some in the post to a testing facillity..............

[Moody]

Reports of this stuff all over the country on another site.

People there are saying it's testing positive as BZP.

does anyone know of anyother sites with message boards where X could have a look to see what the state of play is....

[Micklemouse]

Sorry but linking to other message boards is not allowed here.

[expertergaz]

swim picked up an oz of this realy wet stuff which was a brown to white colour swim seperated the oz into grams and swim put it in a desk draw within 2 days it became much dryer and didn't loose weight but became a realy dark brown to purple colour swim shared it with friends swim could tell by the high it had alot of impurities because swim said it was a very heavy like high swim also siad people had the worse gurn swim had eva seen also swim said the come down was awful....

anyone know what was up with this....?

[Moody]

It's just not mdma, been looking on other boards and the general feeling is that it's some sort of piperzine.

[Garethn]

swim says it looked very much like the picture below but turned dark brown/purple and stank like paroxide.....

[Zalien]

Did a check on some stuff that I came across which sounds as if it's the same material.

Mandolin
Mecke
EZ test (Marquis)

no colour change with any of the 3 reagents, material fizzed for as long as I watched it (at least 10 minutes).

I'm not going to try it.

Z

[Retro]

Swim has been looking for information on this after he was given some earlier last week. He managed to take a picture here it is.

Effects are exactly as others describe.

[FrAnCioS-]

This stuff ??

FrAnCioS- added 2 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

If it is the above stuff its defo not mdma its some kind of piperazine its all around the uk and swim has been stung by this! Sorry about the size of the pic dont know why it came out so big

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[DruMDMAndBass]

In everyones pics its wrapped up in a plastic bag, mine was aswell! trippy shit! lolll.

DruMDMAndBass added 0 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...

but yeah both those pics look pretty much like what i had! the 1st pic looks more like it!