Cultivation - just curious....cali poppy Q? latex?

[RX420]

If my brothers gf was too grow out various Cali poppy and yellow Cali poppys would she be able to excrete latex from them to smoke???

do they produce pods??? and could you slit it to smoke the latex. My brothers gf has heard that you can smoke Cali poppies and extracts but if she were to grow it would she be able to get any sort of milky latex from it...???

[HandyMan81]

use a stainless steel pan but E.T is sure you could use pyrex or something.

1) bring 1 cup water to a boil
2) put 2.5 tablespoons poppy seeds in a mortar and pestal and grind it up a bunch (add some of the boiling water if it doesnt grind well)
3) add the poppy junk to the pan
4) simmer on medium for about 10 - 15 minutes
5) strain through a mesh strainer then through a coffee filter
6) throw away the seeds and clean the pan
7) put the nasty brew back in the pan
8) evaporate the water off by simmering it till it starts to get nasty and starts to stick to the sides
9) when that happens put it at an angle so the juice collects in a puddle (if your using a gas stove and a pan with a handle you can just prop it up)
10) at this point it should be waaaay less that what you started with and you should start to see a orange tar form (could be a different color too) and should smell like burnt sugar sorta
11) scrap that up and keep it, E.T. recommends kneading it a bit with a spoon to push out the remaining water

Put that in a pipe and smoke it.

Although: The Cali poppy contains VERY LITTLE(you can actually say no)desired alkaloids.An extraction of this type is really not worth the effort.SWIY is better off getting Papaver Somniferum seeds and growing a dependable batch of flowers.Even grocery store seeds can produce good results.Good Luck!!!

[Herbal Healer 019]

Im pretty sure cali prickly poppy contains ZERO opiate alkaloids...I beleive your looking for papavar somniferum or papaver giganthum

[samuraigecko]

Cali does NOT contain any of the requisite opium alkaloids.

Papaver Somniferum is the ONLY plant that produces Morphine and Codeine alkaloids.

Mostly someone ISNT going to find Papaver Somniferum seeds for general sale at the local nursery. The reason that Cali poppies ARE available at your local nursery is that they are not and never will be Opium Poppies. P.Somniferum seeds are easily available of course, use the forum search engine to find out more.

SWI-Herbal 109 .. Giganthum / Gigantheum / Giganthenum (ref: dif in some countries but the same variety) Peoniflorum, Setigerum, Laciniatum . . on and on are all actually the same thing. There are actually around 22 legitimate "varieties" of Papaver Somniferum, all of which produce Morphine and Codeine but in varying quantities.


For the thread starter -- Use the forum search engine and you will find that almost any question that you can think of is already answered. As with this one which has been answered well over 50 times.

Peace

[RX420]

swim isnt looking to find a way to make opium they know how to ...ha. swim is just curios


their question is since you can smoke cali poppy to get just a relaxing smoke, can you atleast excrete the latex to get something to smoke...it doesn't contain opiates of any sort they know that, but it can be a relaxing smoke.

swim is just curious if they were to grow Cali poppies do they have pods that can be slit for latex???


swim knows alll about the species needed for opiate opium, but swim has heard that cali poppy can be a mild relaxing smoke and help with headaches.

swim may sound stupid for not wanting to grow the opium variety but swim is just curios if non papaver poppies can be slit to get latex....just for a very mild smoke and headache reliever. or mixed with other herbs.

swim just loves growing anything and is into botany. maybe even mix in a few of the real deal things too heh.... but swim plans on growing cali poppies anyway just for the look and wants to know if any latex could be extretred mainly just to experiment to see if its any stronger than the cali poppy extracts sold at entho online shops.

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swim will be growing lots of herbs like chamomile, enchinichia, passion flower, lemon balm. Than kanna and kava and kratom if swim can pull that off without killing them. mainly just looking to grow legal herbs to relieve pains and insomnia legally ha.

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swim is looking to grow mainly to experiment. and see what comes from the latex. my brothers gf wouldnt mind growing a few real p. som also..but is just intrested in the effect of legal poppies. my brothers gf has heard cali poppies are good for headaches.

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my cousins gf plans to just make a herbal mix to smoke. and would like to grow it her self rather than buy it from entho shops. hence the reason for growing all

on another note, does anyone of you swimmers know how long poppy tea stays in the system since their are so many diff opiate derivatives involved???

[samuraigecko]

Short answer is yes. Beware of some of the lower Opiate alkaloids contained in it as they can be severe allergens which can result in life threatening anaphylaxis.

Yes cali does contain Opiate alkaloids. Just not the RIGHT opiate alkaloids. Papaver Somniferum is not the only plant to contain what are considered to be Opiate alkaloids but it is the only plant to contain the major medically significant alkaloids (Codeine and Morphine).

SWIM believes from memory that Cali contains at least two of the minor alkaloids. From memory these are Papaverine and Thebaine in small quantities however SWIM cant be sure that this is totally accurate, One would need to perform their own research.

Peace

[RX420]

so swiyou is saying you can slit the cali poppies for latex??? my friends gf knows its no where near as potent as real opm, but shes just looking for something for headaches and toothaches and such. and if she can get something she can just make a tea with or smoke the sap would be nice.

[samuraigecko]

Yes you can bleed them for latex.

"Not as potent" is being generous. "Does nothing because it cant" would be closer.

Headaches and toothaches would still be the same because the alkaloids present in Cali are not analgesic alkaloids.

One would suggest just going to a health food shop and asking them for poppy seed or bread seed if one were to perform any hypothetical experiments.

Peace

[RX420]

my friends gf is on probation and doesn't know how long the poppy tea would stay in the system so thats out of the question. she is not scripted morphine. altthough she is prescribed oxycodone and hydrocodone,,,but she is loking for something to use when script is low. not to get high...just something for pain relief. shes read things where it states it can help aches??? is it really that worthless..well she still loves the flower and still plans on growing them, but she thought maybe the sap would be a lil more potent than most of the stuff on vendors sites. shes heard some people say theyve gotten nice mellow effects from it. perhaps mixed with other herbs???shes looking for a all natural and legal herbal mix for pains and aches. do swiyou have any suggestions?

perhaps an extract to make it stronger,,mixed with some lotus extract and kratom and kava extract would be an interesting legal mix???

"California poppy extract can also treat anxiety and stress as well as relieve headaches and insomnia." just something swim found on the internet.

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she doesnt want the dea to come and fuck her over anymore than she is.....she would love to grow it just for the flower alone ,but seems risky in the us.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM understands the predicament and definitely sympathizes.

Unfortunately the quote from other vendors of ethnobotanicals will state stuff like that.

--- "California poppy extract can also treat anxiety and stress as well as relieve headaches and insomnia." ---

This is also true of St johns wart and Valarian which are both available off the shell of any supermarket, health food shop or alternate medicine shop. People whom take these things for an effect will tell you that it actually does little to nothing noticeable and would certainly be no good for when a script is running low unless it is for placebo effect. Though California poppy does contain some of the alkaloids that Papaver Somniferum contains, it contains none of the major analgesic (and euphoric) alkaloids. The alkaloids it does contain are in rather small quantities when compared to other sources.

Peace

[RX420]

thanks for the help man..so are swiyou saying even an extract of the flowers wouldn't be worth it? even mixed with some other worthwhile herbs???? like lotus, kratom, kanna, and so on???

[samuraigecko]

SWIM is saying it is up to the hypothetical individual. If they would like to try and make their own ethnobotanical extract then Cali poppy can indeed be one of the ingredients if they so wished.

As far as any euphoric or analgesic compounds actually go, Cali has none but is apparently used by some as a "VERY mild sedative". Reports of the effectiveness of this varies. Most people whom are already Opiate tolerant report that it does nothing for them at all. However synergistically it may work a little with other compounds but one would need to research what compounds work synergistically with each other.

It is more likely that most of this would be placebo effect, like young kids smoking banana skins and thinking they are tripping.

Peace