Kratom For withdrawls?

[youdontknow]

Ok so as som eof you may remeber im currently on MMT. I really wanna get off of it though. Im planning on doing a sped up tapering and im worried about withdrawls. So im thinking about trying some kratom.

I need advice though on what kind of kratom to get. Should a get leaves or powder? Extract or no? Which strain should i get? Whats a regular dose to combat withdrawls?


Also from what ive read kratom isnt really addictive correct? Id hate to just get addicted to kratom.

Is this a feasable strategy or too much trouble?

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by youdontknow

Ok so as som eof you may remeber im currently on MMT. I really wanna get off of it though. Im planning on doing a sped up tapering and im worried about withdrawls. So im thinking about trying some kratom.

I need advice though on what kind of kratom to get. Should a get leaves or powder? Extract or no? Which strain should i get? Whats a regular dose to combat withdrawls?


Also from what ive read kratom isnt really addictive correct? Id hate to just get addicted to kratom.

Is this a feasable strategy or too much trouble?

In swims experience the powder is best for opiate withdrawals. Most people use Bali since its one of the more sedating types while also being the cheapest. The other strains tend to be pricier and also are more energizing, Which is the opposite of what swim wants to feel during withdrawal. Kratom IS addictive, almost as much so as opiates. Swim would stay away from the extracts if addiction is a problem someones grappled with before. Kratom in its plain form is addictive but the extracts are compareable to opiates like hydrocodone and higher for swim. Swim thinks the addictiveness of the plain powder is hard to measure but the way he could explain it is that its about as euphoric as codiene for him. The way kratom is different from opiates is that for him it lasts several hours with only a slight urge to redose while codiene or any opioid would give him a comedown that makes him want to use within 30 minutes of the peak of the high. Also with kratom the opiate like feeling that you can just keep taking more isnt present because youll feel nausea if you take alot of plain bali. For swim Kratom is easy to taper down without any slip ups but he always struggled with tapering off of opiates. As far as it being worth it that depends on if swiy thinks they can handle the Methadone taper. If its not a certainty then kratom might be a good option as it can really help reduce every bad symptom associated with opiate withdrawal. Dont let anyone tell you its not addictive though because it really can be. It could be used very easily in the first weeks of stopping the methadone just to make the transtion easier just because for swim when he was using it to come off of opiates the euphoria wasnt really present. During that period he only felt the withdrawal sypmtoms lessen. As far as dose pretty much a tablespoon of powder would reduce withdrawals without being too much for him to not get nuasea. He found that 120 grams of bali powder let him cold turkey off of 100 mg's of hydrocodone a day and would last 7 days but he was still in discomfort at that dose.

[Spucky]

Originally Posted by youdontknow

Also from what ive read kratom isnt really addictive correct? Id hate to just get addicted to kratom.

Is this a feasable strategy or too much trouble?

It`s makes swiny addicted after a While!
Swim eat a lot in a tiny Island in Thailand,
after he left he feel the same like old Day`s.

There are better alternatives,
do swim have a medical monitoring?

Spucky added 6 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

Swim maybe need to know that Methadon and Kratom together
have a high Risk for a respiratory depression!!!

[AvidFan]

Originally Posted by youdontknow

I need advice though on what kind of kratom to get. Should a get leaves or powder? Extract or no? Which strain should i get? Whats a regular dose to combat withdrawls?


Also from what ive read kratom isnt really addictive correct?

Why not read up on some of the kratom withdrawal stories in the kratom withdrawal thread? X was addicted to kratom for several years, later he became re-addicted to kratom trying to get off Oxycodone, and ended up with a kratom and oxy habit that cost a lot of money.

X had quite bad physical and psychological withdrawals from kratom - mind you that was after 2 years of heavy daily use.

Just be very careful with kratom, as it does have addiction potential if used regularly - and we all start out intending to just use once a week, don't we?

[Bluedrip]

If SWIY is able to substitute kratom for methadone, and he probably can, SWIY will still be dependant on opiods. There is significant cross tolerance between kratom and any other opiod, which is why it relieves withdrawal.

However, many people find it much easier to taper off of kratom than from true opiates.

If SWIY trys this, SWIM agrees that powdered Bali leaf is a good choice. Extracts should be avoided because they raise tolerance quite rapidly. With methadone, withdrawal peaks quite a few days after cessation due to long acting nature of methadone. If stronger kratom is needed to deal with building symptoms, a tea can be made from bali leaf that will permit an increase in dose without ingesting a ridiculous quantity of plant material. SWIM would suggest starting with plain leaf in the 1-2 tsp. range, every 2-4 hours as needed to minimize withdrawal. If SWIY takes too much, headache and/or nausea are common reactions.

SWIM has seen people successfully switch from MMT to kratom. It is much harder to take the next step: from kratom maintenance to nothing. It can be done though.

Bluedrip added 4 Minutes and 44 Seconds later...

SWIM used kratom to kick vicodin, and knows others who have used it to kick methadone. It can be done. However, SWIY will still be opiod dependant--it is still plugging receptors due to significant cross tolerance between methadone and kratom.

That said, many people do find it easier to taper off of kratom than to taper directly from opiates. It's still hard though. If SWIM had to guess, he'd say that most people who use kratom to get off of true opiates wind up on "kratom mainentance." Among those, quite a few will wind up with an escalating and expensive kratom habit due to extract use. SWIM agrees that extracts should be avoided like the plague if kratom is being used to deal with existing opiate addiction.