Why is there NO Meth in the u.k?

[englishkid]

Why is ice everywhere except the U.K? After all of the research into why this is, all I've come up with is that the Illuminate(secret blueblood sect) in the U.K wont agree to it as it was Hitlers thing. The top politicians let the heroin and cocaine in but not meth? Maybe that shows how corrupt government is. They flood the west with imported drugs to make themselves richer and keep down the poor and mis-guided. Meth on the other hand has to be made at home. This shows that left to the user or the criminal, they prefer to deal in a commodity that won't run out or depend on joe public to make at home. Why wouldnt you? The continuos flow of heroin and crack on the streets of Birming(uk's second biggest city and the most cultrally diverse, it is also the only city that has a real gang problem mirroring the bloods and the crips. We have the Burga'z and the Jonnies.) is terribly cheap and constant. Someone high up must be continuing this flow. Cannabis, another home produced commodity, always in shortage. never constant like Heroin and Crack......

What's going on?

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Paranoid ravings - where's your evidence?

[porchy]

I think what your saying are just conspiracy theories. The main reason would be that the main (or one of the main) precursor(s) are banned from this country. i.e. ephedrine, because it is used in the manufacture of methamphetamine. Meth is usually a 'home baked' drug so large laboratories are not usually used, therefore if only relatively small amounts are produced at a time its not worth importing into this country.

The second half of that is purely assumption.

[cosmicruler]

ephedrine is also Banned in swims country,and pseudoephedrine is sold reluctantly as an OC drug(must supply ID etc)!!!and yet we have an epidemic/pandemic going on down here....why??

3 obvious reasons:

1.We are an isolated island country with a native population(ie.similar to Hawaii where Meth has been a huuuuge problem since the early 90s)
So 1nce people are addicted there is NOWHERE to run or hide from it...

2.We have a strong asian community,of which some seem to import the vast majority of precursers(pseudo pills)

3.We have alot of MCs(Motorcycleclubs) with deeproots in society who have/are actively maunfacturing and distributing the drug!!!

Not having a Meth epidemic in UK is honestly a goodthing!!!although swim has also questioned as to why meth is soooo rare in the UK!!!?

[aerozeppelin123]

Maybe it's because the market is already pretty well covered by amphetamine sulphate, which can be bought in large quantities for very low prices in the UK. The precursors thing may also be a factor, although in my opinion that would be a fairly weak factor. If there was genuinely a large unmet demand for crystal meth, it WOULD be met one way or another. There would be just too much money to be made for people not to find some way of supplying the market - it would probably just be more highly priced to reflect the extra trouble the suppliers had to go to. So my guess would be that it's simply that not many British people want to buy crystal meth.

[englishkid]

You got it in one. swim watches dog the bounty hunter and that brings me to a good point about hawaii. I was inspired to research ice in Hawaii after watching dog as ALL crims over there seem to be indigeneous people and they all have ice pipes when arrested. I'm talking Everyone! Glass bowls, something you dont see over here either. them hawaiians love meth. Is it a samoan thing? Or us-natives? Its like over here, heroin is so pure and clean and cheap. Swim read about the purity found in CA(cally) and in the US they thought 35% was strong. Heroin is in the 80's round this way.
Back to the ice. Nah mate, someone high up over there is letting it happen. Thats the only way. We can get all the shit over here to make it. Easy. No I'D, no nothing. There's a shit blizzard coming and and the winds of shit are starting. The UK have been warned early by our Big sister USA. I'm not saying the US started it up over there, I'm saying that they control it now they've dealt with it. There is huge demand for it over here. Because th UK is 90% built up areas, we couldn't handle an ice epidemic. The courts, jails, social services, all the system would get so chaotic it'd close down. We already have no prison places. Prisoners are just shipped from jail to jail to make a constant round-about for spaces. A meth epi' would crush it.

Dont you think the US dont know where all of their meth cooks are? Fuck me- if WE can go to google earth and watch our house from SPACE, imagine what THEY can do???????????!!!!!!!!1
Anyway, our government is the same thing anyway. Britain America. The rest of the world look at it like that. Shit if you dont talk English nowadays you're fucked. Canada's next level. Don't even make me go there! Our goverment controls drugs already. All these moaners about legalisation, have you ever had to go more than a day or two for your drug of choice? Most dont really go an hour. Thats how available drugs are. They're nearly legal. But the non-drug taking public( and lets admit, they're the voters.) need to know that their strets are safe from drugs. So government comes of with a highly publicised war on drugs.

Anyway, sorry to elaborate but believe me, drugs are controlled. Meth has just been avoided. Hence the sulphate version being favoured.

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interesting points to ponder...

[madfan]

Swims never been offered meth & neither have her friends so she also assumed its not available in the uk.
However when she was talking to her keyworker at her drug clinic she was told that there is more & more of it coming in or probably being manufactured here.

Swim wonders where swiy gets his 80% heroin figure from?
At her clinic swim saw a poster warning people about some heroin in the area that was between 2 & 3 times the usual strength.What strength did it say? 13% ! ! ! ! Compared to the usual 5 or 10%.Swim knows that she stopped using H years ago bacause she found it too weak.

[yaba]

Its available in the UK.. But someone might need to look for it.
Swim thinks the gay world would be a good start, they always seem to get the new drugs first.

Or the south east Asian community.. Swim first used yaba in London then later in Amsterdam that is about 11 years ago.

[scratchblack]

all SWIM say is bring it on cause SWIM wanna try it )

[informer_]

Swim has been offered it once, Swim tried it and found it was very good, got swim very buzzed at the time, swim cannot get anymore of it where he is in uk, so annoying.

[aerozeppelin123]

To be honest it's probably for the better that it hasn't caught on here...from what I can see from America and Thailand and other countries where it's everywhere, it seems to be a big problem. SWIM is happy to stick to good old dirt cheap sulphate

[BumpBump]

swim wants meth....!

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	Absolutly no need to give negative rep.

[Jatelka]

There's a fascinating paper in the archive here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=57&id=5154

On Meth use/availability in Europe and why it isn't doesn't seem to be more widespread

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	Interesting link.
	thanks for link

[BumpBump]

swim has heard of a guy takin out clubbing... and has heard that people have access. But them swimers keep it to them selves and dont want to deal it due to the bad publicity! Them swimers are considerd quite hardcore and its often stated by people that they been on crystal when out....! btw swim reference to these people is from gay clubs

[scratchblack]

SWIM and SWIY should get the thinking caps on and get some suppliers and ingredients together and make some pure quality phet!! great minds think alike at the end of the day

scratchblack added 6 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

how do SWIM get access to the sources section on this forum if there is such a thing??

[ConcertaXL]

A 17 year old friend of mine has bought it, it was quite expensive (but am not quoting exact price to comply with DF rules)... It is definitely available in the north west of england, not as much as speed/coke but getting more common. A big problem is the super heavy restrictions on pseudoephedrine, only 720 mg can be bought at once with a strict maximum of 1 product per transaction... Even in the US where meth is major up to 3g can be purchased in one transaction although we don't have a mandatory monthly purchase limit or logbook system. If living in a city, rotating pharmacies could easily score 60 packs in a month or plenty more via internet providers (not all of them follow the one pack only rule.)

[drug-bot]

swims an american and since the federal law limiting the amount of pseuduephedrine an individual can purchace monthly many of the larger american labs closed down and now a large amount of meth is coming from so-called 'super labs' from mexico, having become a major exporter to the u.s. If the u.k also has strict laws regarding pseduephedrine swim doesnt see why it is imported in? did the u.k ever have a large meth problem in the past, or was it never plentiful/popular?

[ex-junkie]

^its just not as popular, and the uk love their coke. its cheap and freely available. there doesnt seem to be a huge demand for ice/meth according to a large amount of uk ravers/youth who post about it on other forums.

[humdroid]

Y says, if base isn't a strong enough amphet for you, then you are too speedy a speed freak. lol

Y don't seem to be able to handle base these days, he even says base could soemtimes be too strong. Y would think strong base would last him longer, right?, no, as this is amphetamines, and if the base is strong, you cant seem to get enough of it.
Y has had to lay off the base for a while.
If only a match head size of base is needed for a springy ride, then Y guessesonly a pinhead of meth must do the same, is Y right?

Y says, if meth ever comes over to blighty, he knows he wont be able to handle it, given what he has done to himself with base.

stick to the base brits

[Sarko]

SWIM saw a junkie stealing a load of Toilet Duck from a shop once. Now, while the junkie may have OCD, SWIM would reckon they were going to use it to make Meth.

SWIM has heard from an American that they thought the MDMA they tried whilst over here was Meth. Friends told SWIM that the American was just a moron who didn't know their drugs, and SWIM would be inclined to agree, but how would someone ever know if the MDMA isn't actually Meth? Maybe everyone taking MDMA in Scotland has only been buying Meth cooked up by junkies?

From what SWIM has read, the effects and looks of Meth are almost identical to MDMA.

Sarko added 2 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

^its just not as popular, and the uk love their coke. its cheap and freely available. there doesnt seem to be a huge demand for ice/meth according to a large amount of uk ravers/youth who post about it on other forums.

Coke is rife in the UK.

SWIM can't understand why anyone would take it when MDMA and Mephedrone are so much better and cheaper.

[jungle]

Originally Posted by Sarko

From what SWIM has read, the effects and looks of Meth are almost identical to MDMA.

never tried meth, but this is obviously not true.
Methamphetamine and MDMA are quite different in effects. i will not go into details now.

Unlike D/L-amphetamine, meth is not very common here in Germany.
Similar to the US, it is most prevalent in the countryside. strictly speaking, the eastern part of germany.

[vinylmesh]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

There's a fascinating paper in the archive here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=57&id=5154

On Meth use/availability in Europe and why it isn't doesn't seem to be more widespread

Swim especially liked this quote;

If the current stimulant market became disrupted, by a
decline in the availability of cheap cocaine for example,
methamphetamine might find a place as a suitable
alternative, especially if the use of the drug became

fashionable with some socially influential group.

Prohibitionists take note.

[p$2]

Originally Posted by jungle

never tried meth, but this is obviously not true.
Methamphetamine and MDMA are quite different in effects. i will not go into details now.

Unlike D/L-amphetamine, meth is not very common here in Germany.
Similar to the US, it is most prevalent in the countryside. strictly speaking, the eastern part of germany.

swip$ has heard that this is a problem in the eastern part, perhaps unsurpringly Zittau (Sachsen) was mentioned in conversation. NB Zittau is right on the border with Chech and also Poland. it was said by a native of that town that "kristall" had become a big problem there and that there was a beneficial side-effect of this problem, insofar as many persons active in the neo-nazi scene had become drug addicts and therefore too busy feeding their addictions to constitute as much of a danger to the society as they were before.

swip$ was offered "kristall" in berlin also (never tried it so cannot say if it was crystalline in format or not). but swip$ can't help wondering if all speed in germany is being sold as "kristall" merely to hype the product.

swip$ has obtained strong speed through polish contacts in the united kingdom. it was not crystalline but rocky. swip$ thinks it was more likely that this product is good quality amphetamine sulphate. anyway it's possible people in uk will say, "very good speed, polish!" to hype the product. a lot of poles say the product is produced in russia/ukraine. sorry p$ is resorting to anecdotes now. the toilet duck story was funny.

how exactly would one differentiate between meth and amp in terms of effects? some say meth is more cerebral, less of a body high, actually less harmful on the heart.
for comparison, would one be talking about a subtle difference such as that between MDMA vs MDA, the latter being more "speedy"? swip$ is certain he has encountered both but would have difficuly saying with certainty which is which based on effect.

[yaba]

There is meth in the UK but swim thinks no one wants to make massive production due to fear to get arrested. With all the media hype the people know that the police is waiting for the meth epidemic to explode. And thats why its all relative small and only used in certain circles.

As soon as the UK is flooded the police will find the big cooks. This is only a thought. But for certain meth is available in the UK !

[English_T]

Originally Posted by yaba

There is meth in the UK but swim thinks no one wants to make massive production due to fear to get arrested. With all the media hype the people know that the police is waiting for the meth epidemic to explode. And thats why its all relative small and only used in certain circles.

As soon as the UK is flooded the police will find the big cooks. This is only a thought. But for certain meth is available in the UK !

Yes, this is a factor in a big way, first busted will be made examples of and get the full 12 years for production. However, there is apparently meth about, tight circles of friends of chemists - its not as easy as they say it is, pure ephedrine is the first obsticle, getting rid of binders, next is chemicals, next is cashlow, if you don't sell any , one can't finance the next run, you dig?

[JCJC]

SWIM has something to say I have copy pasted from their msn window:

'Meth is here. Luckily it's not widespread and I hope to god it stays that way. Look what heroin has done to us, the last thing we need is meth. I have seen a few tweakers trying to scam me out of money in my city (up north) and I am fairly sure that a batch of 'MDMA' I once took was actually meth.. I know my mdma, this was something else.'

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Also... isn't it made in the same labs that make MDMA? If so, surely it must come over from central/eastern europe in the hundreds of billions of pills that british ravers use weekly? I know that alot of common UK pills have tested positive for meth.